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#123629 - 11/10/09 10:58 PM Re: BPA in Grocery Store Foods ?? [Re: BarryP]
Fishnaked Offline
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Originally Posted By BarryP
“But....BPA is an endocrine disruptor”
Maybe for mice but no scientist has been able to prove it for humans.


Do you have a link to that info?

Originally Posted By BarryP
“Furthermore, scientists have found enough evidence against BPA that US lawmakers have taken steps to follow Canada and Europe's lead in banning it. http://www.attorneyatlaw.com/2009/03/bpa...astic-chemical/”

There’s no science data at that link. It just sounds like lawyers and bureaucrats trying to find ways to raise money.


The Net is flooded w/ scientific data. The point is, lawmakers have seen enough to act on it. I didn't realize it when I posted but several places (states & counties)in the US have already banned it. Lawmakers in France are also seeking to ban it. http://www.endseurope.com/21946

Something else to consider is where the funding of some of the studies came from that made BPA look innocent. Yep, within the chemical and plastic industry. Gee, I'm shocked! (with my best facetious face);)

With an estimated BPA revenue of $800,000 per hr, is it a surprise to anyone that those within the chemical and packaging industry want to convince us BPA is "safe"? Unfortunately, despite yrs of implicating evidence, with that kind of money at stake and the power of the chemical industry, lawmakers are going to have a tough battle...

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#123644 - 11/11/09 10:00 AM Re: BPA in Grocery Store Foods ?? [Re: Fishnaked]
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And the FDA is taking another look after their initial response suffered severe criticism...even from their own advisory panel.

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#123648 - 11/11/09 11:05 AM Re: BPA in Grocery Store Foods ?? [Re: BarryP]
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Originally Posted By BarryP
“But....BPA is an endocrine disruptor”
Maybe for mice but no scientist has been able to prove it for humans.


Interesting article in today's news regarding humans.

On the other hand, Ziploc brand bags apparently contain no BPA. From the FAQ on their web site:

"SC Johnson does not use BPA in its plastic products, Ziploc® Brand bags and containers, and Saran™ brand wraps."

Not sure about other brands of freezer bags.
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#123673 - 11/11/09 04:39 PM Re: BPA in Grocery Store Foods ?? [Re: Fishnaked]
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“Do you have a link to that info?”

The only links I can find is THE ABSENCE OF LINKS. There is no scientist/doctor that will proclaim BPA a HUMAN endocrine disruptor. It’s just another ‘sky is falling’ scenerio.

Oh here’s another way to look at it: http://www.gasdetection.com/news2/health_news_digest202.html (I just found that 2 minutes ago)

“Something else to consider is where the funding of some of the studies…”

Well, I thought this was required by law. If I sell a chemical, I better have put in some heavy R&D funding to study it or risk some lawsuits. It’s also fun to look at who’s funding the anti BPA world. shocked

-Barry

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#123674 - 11/11/09 04:43 PM Re: BPA in Grocery Store Foods ?? [Re: Zalman]
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Good article with a very good final statement ““It is interesting information, but is of little relevance to the average consumer using products with trace levels of BPA,” he says. “Based on the findings of the many government agencies that have examined the science, there is a consensus that BPA poses little risk to human health at these levels.””
-Barry

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#123677 - 11/11/09 06:45 PM Re: BPA in Grocery Store Foods ?? [Re: BarryP]
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Originally Posted By BarryP


“Something else to consider is where the funding of some of the studies…”

Well, I thought this was required by law. If I sell a chemical, I better have put in some heavy R&D funding to study it or risk some lawsuits. It’s also fun to look at who’s funding the anti BPA world. shocked

-Barry


Barry,

Your assumption is a widely popular misconception. A friendly suggestion would be to familiarize yourself with the US chemical regulatory process via the US Government Accountability Office. They have been reporting on this very subject since the TSCA was enacted in 1976. There are hundreds upon hundreds of pages of reports on their web site. Researching chemicals has been a 20+ yr hobby for me. Consequently, I have read most all of these reports in full, the remaining few in abstract.

Looking forward to seeing your response after you have read them (their abstracts will give you the gist in not inclined to read the full reports).

Regards,
Rusty

PS
BTW. You alluded to knowing who is funding "the anti BPA world" as you call it. I'm curious. Who do you think that is?


Edited by rusty (11/11/09 10:12 PM)

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#123716 - 11/12/09 01:37 PM Re: BPA in Grocery Store Foods ?? [Re: Fishnaked]
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“Your assumption is a widely popular misconception.”
Well, judges seem to follow this ‘widely popular misconception’ because they are not very kind to companies that don’t do their homework---- especially when it comes to injuring the public.

“…US Government Accountability Office. They have been reporting on this very subject since the TSCA was enacted in 1976. There are hundreds upon hundreds of pages of reports on their web site.”

I went to their web site http://www.gao.gov/about/index.html and did a search on “Bisphenol”. I probably didn’t search very well because I found very little about what the GAO is doing. I found a report here: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d09353.pdf
What I’ve noticed about BPA, it is one of the most tested chemicals ever to come out. Any BPA substitutes will take 40 years to do similar studies.

“I'm curious. Who do you think that is?”
OK, this is what I’ve noticed:

There are two truisms that work in academia:
1. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
2. Publish or perish.

It is these types of entities that depend on government funding or grants.
For example, a guy that raised a lot of ruckus is ’Frederick vom Saal’. And he has an agenda by looking at his links: http://endocrinedisruptors.missouri.edu/links.html is linked to ‘our stolen future’ which is linked to Al Gore. Mr. Saal’s BPA document shows poor testing and non repeatable at that. So my personal view is his department needs funding and they picked BPA to do it. Now I like it when universities discover new things for us. But when research papers become extremely biased, despite the evidence, I don’t trust them.

-Barry

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#123721 - 11/12/09 03:22 PM Re: BPA in Grocery Store Foods ?? [Re: BarryP]
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Barry,

I was referring to the chemical regulatory process, not BPA in particular. Go to the GAO site and search "TSCA". It's going to take more than your standard cursory look though.

That said, it is clear your mind is made up...for which basis that is built upon I have no idea other than your "personal view". Of course, what does the nonpartisan GAO know? That agency has only been investigating and reporting on this for a mere 29 some odd yrs. You surely know more about this matter than they do. ;-)



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#123731 - 11/12/09 05:42 PM Re: BPA in Grocery Store Foods ?? [Re: kevonionia]
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Kev. That was not my point and the constitution certainly never had any thing to do with my point. My point was is that those things are the foundation of our sovereignty. Take away our language and what do you do. You learn a new language. Take away our borders and what do you do. You live with illegal immigration. Take away our culture and what do you get. Another life that will be different than what we know today. That was really my point and again it had nothing to do with our constitution...sabre11004... goodjob
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#123732 - 11/12/09 05:44 PM Re: BPA in Grocery Store Foods ?? [Re: kevonionia]
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Kev...Finally I think that you may be on to something LOL...sabre11004... goodjob goodjob goodjob
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#123737 - 11/12/09 06:07 PM Re: BPA in Grocery Store Foods ?? [Re: BarryP]
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Well I can tell you it is a little different than that. Let's think for a minute. Do we really trust the fact that everything that the U.S.D.A. sanctions is safe. I seriously doubt it. The food companies...Do they really want us to eat less..I don't think so. How about the pharmaceutical companies...Do they really want us to take less drugs...I think not.. And then there are the cherished "doctors".. Do we really believe that they want us all well..I seriously doubt that too. Hell they would go out of business if that were the case. I really think that as a society, we have been conditioned to think so backwards and so upside down that few of us really have any idea what is really going on

Think about it !!!!!...sabre11004... lame lame lame lame
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#123783 - 11/13/09 07:04 PM Re: BPA in Grocery Store Foods ?? [Re: sabre11004]
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Here Here I agree. Life Is Short , Play Hard!

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