I do have an itemized packing list with weights [I guess I could post it] but I want every item on the list. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> It wouldn't BE on the list if I didn't. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I guess one thing about the 4.4 lbs of water is that the weight decreases over time, so I'm not always carrying that much.