I may not have been quite clear either. I've nothing against Vasque, they make fine shoes and might fit me better if I tried them. I've got a 20 year old pair of Sundowners that fit fine, but they're heavier than I like to wear now. I have a hard enough time finding shoes that I like and that fit me. I would hate to try to find shoes to fit someone else, especially a kid who may not be able to articulate how the shoes fit. I think that my feet may have gone up another half size, since my older shoes are starting to feel tight. I was a 10 as a teenager, but now I'm a 12 maybe 12-1/2. I can imagine what it's like trying to keep shoes on a growing youngster without breaking the bank.