I finally got an answer. They just tried to get by with a minimal # of items. They shot for 24 was the number I finally found out. We've done better and I think still had a good trip if we went with the lists. Getting to 24, then you could count a lot of little stuff like knife, matches, spoon, lamp etc. Maybe that would lower the ante, but we still need to shoot for a minimal weight goal. See what you could do without?