Bill and James, Yeah, we,re way off the thread, but. The frustrating thing for me is that there is this Irish kid, father was a mason and he apprenticed as a tiler. He works with me sometimes, and he can pick up a caulking gun and go all the way around a tub in one run and without a single bump or break in the bead! And it takes him about 60 seconds. Drives me nuts. Best, jcp