I havn't tried the European places, only curious a few times on what the UK has. I don't have any European buds that would help if I found a stove over there. I've picked up three virgin stoves though the last couple months, but paid dearly for two of them. Already spent my income tax refund, but trying to cut back on my buying, pick and choose now, where last year I jumped in with both feet. I have to do more bping and car camping so I can use the stoves, instead of just one stove on a trip, I bring two now so I can use them.:) At least my most expensive stove worked after half an hour or so of fettling it. Cool.