So i talked to a guy, who talked to a guy who had a grubpack and an Outsak in front of him. not even considering the price, he chose the Outsak based on looks and what he believed was a higher quality bag. When I heard that, I knew I made the right choice. Its hard to decide on gear when all you have is a picture to look at.

Personally I've never seen a grubpack, I have an Outsak now and its all I need.I guess the folks in Arizona get the benefit of seeing one in a store before buying, thats a long drive for me.

I was going to rent one, then about 2 weeks ago I ordered one, took advantage of the free shipping, got it in a few days.

Its sitting on my pack, waiting to go to Grand Canyon next week.

I also talked to the owner, he gave me some pointers on side hikes along the way that I never would have known about.I guess he is a former guide in the park. Nice guy. Good Product.