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The purpose of this "challenge" isn't to actually take a troop to Philmont. Been there, done that. Philmont is used because we all say that we pick equipment for the climate. Alot of us know the Philmont climate. Well, I assumed so. Maybe I am wrong. But, it seemed like a good area because we are targeting scouts AND adult newbies. I thought about just saying 3 season alpine, but I thought that was too vague. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Would ANY 3 season location work? phat, how cold are your summers?


Those pics in my previous post were from mid July in the northern rockies. When I hit the mountains I basically have to be prepared for the temperature range you described - up to 25C or so in the day
and -5C at night.

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On the other thread phat started (and which was subsequently hijacked) phat showed a $250 beginner kit. I thought "Wow, what about $200". For a parent with a new 12 year old, $200 is pretty steep. Especially if they don't know how long he will hang with it. It might not be steep for a newbie adult, but we could say "hey try this setup, if you like it, there is a better way, if not, you are only out $200". The problem with making a list like this, is location specific gear. Could we just hit the extremes? It might rain like in the PNW, or be dry like here in Utah. Daytime highs in the 100's and nighttime lows in the 20's. Maybe even throw in 100% humidity like in Houston.


I don't think it's that location specific. There's an awful wide range of backpacking you can do with that
kind of stuff. You need more water capacity in complete desert, and a hammock doens't work so good with
no trees.

I do think a lot of DIY is not necessarily the best for a beginner. A scout troop perhaps, as some can be
done as a project at a meeting, but a regular beginner who doesn't have the bug like us freaks is not necessarily going to invest the time in the bigger kind of DIY projects, so while a stove is maybe ok,
thinks like Rock's backpack or a quilt project. - while very good money savers take some time and
may not be something a beginner will want to invest the time into.
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