I am headed for a 4 day trip in Baxter and will weigh my pack. I am with Phat-18-20lb including food.........lighter than in the old days.........but not that light.........

I am not an UL bper..........

I see the discussion/goal of UL as an intellectual imperative.......I aim to lighten up by not having what I consider "frills" and by slowly purchasing UL gear.........

What I cannot get rid of is the belts and suspenders gear for safety. I pack for a lot of "what ifs." Yes, I subscribe to "you brain" as being the most important piece of survival gear but also by knowing my limitations. I have read so many accounts of people who get injured or die from exposure-by not having any bivy or insulation clothing..........what ends up happening is that my day pack is much like my 4day bpack less the food............My professional training is aimed at working for the best and preparing for the worst............hard to be a gram weenie that way..........