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#96738 - 05/26/08 12:39 PM Re: Women and the Out-of-Doors [Re: wandering_daisy]
Paul Offline
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Registered: 09/30/02
Posts: 778
Loc: California
For my wife, it is mostly about sleeping, although your #1 is also on the list. She never sleeps well while camping, whether car-camping or in the backcountry. I have been escalating the pad situation, but have not reached the solution yet. The other thing is that she does not have the same apprreciation of the outdoors that I do. She likes it, but she is a fair-weather outdoors person, where I feel that any day is a good day to be out, and any weather is good weather to be out in.
I have learned a lot in the process of encouraging her to go with me, and here are some ideas for the other guys who have reuctant ladies, in terms of solutions to your numbered list:

1) too dirty (I wash every day and stay quite clean)
You can get sunshower type rigs now that are under a pound

2) too cold (solved by the proper clothes and sleeping bag)
Important not just to get her the right clothes, but teach (gently) when to wear what

3) cooking is hard (well, fellows, you do the cooking if that's the problem)
Guys, you have to not only do the cooking, but the cleanup as well, and bring some treats

4) "bathroom" chores (I prefer the woods - can pee anytime I want and do not have to wait in line!)
Sympathy here is all I can recommend

5) boring (not if you plan enough time to explore, bring a good book or have an entertaining backpack partner)
This one has never been a problem for me

6) hard (women who spend 2 hours a day at the gym still say this)
Carry most of the weight, guys, and plan a trip that is easy but way scenic

7) too scarey (those of us who grew up running in the woods as kids do not feel this way)
If certain things are scary for her, do not just say it will all be fine. Deal with it - for instance, If she feels safer in a tent, then you bring a tent even though you may not want a tent. If she's afraid of getting lost, prove to her how effectively you can navigate, or get a GPS even though you don't feel you need it.

8) like to look nice (nothing says you cannot have stylish backpack clothes)
The Title Nine catalog can take care of this

9) no shopping malls (well, yes, that is true)
There's no help for this one

10) too wet, lousy weather (a lot of areas have delightful weather)
If you can be flexible in your scheduling you can avoid the lousy weather and go when it's good. If not, then plan for it with extra entertainment for in the tent, and something like an extra tarp so you can get out of the tent and breathe a little without actually being in the rain.

11) bugs (I get more bugs in my garden)
Bugs are mostly seasonal and location specific, and can be avoided. I hate' em myself!

12) dangerous (yet they drive - a more dangerous activity)
If you are really competent and make a point of watching out for her safety you can make her feel a lot more comfortable.

I should point out that this is really a list of how to introduce anyone to the outdoors and encourage them to like it - it doesn't apply just to women. The basic attitude that you are paying attention to the other person's concerns and trying to do something to alleviate them is really what it's all about.

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#96739 - 05/26/08 08:48 PM Re: Women and the Out-of-Doors [Re: billstephenson]
kevonionia Offline
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Registered: 04/17/06
Posts: 1322
Loc: Dallas, TX
Sage advice, Bill. There's been some enlightening posts on this very good thread, and this was one of the best.
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#96740 - 05/26/08 09:46 PM Re: Women and the Out-of-Doors [Re: wandering_daisy]
Howie Offline
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Registered: 06/02/03
Posts: 481
Loc: Canora, SK, Canada
My wife enjoys the odd day hike with me. #s 4 and 11 might be a bit of a concern at times though. She suffers from asthma and that can make climbing hills difficult. She has no interest in staying out in a tent or tarp overnight when we have a perfectly good motorhome. Thirty one years ago we honeymooned in a tent and it leaked on her side <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I do meet a lot of women on the trails. Sometimes they are in organized groups of a dozen or so. Therefore I would not tar them all with the same brush. I have a friend who really doesn’t like camping, at all, but his wife on the other hand, is very outdoorsy.

Howie

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#96741 - 05/27/08 08:32 AM Re: Women and the Out-of-Doors [Re: coyotemaster]
BarryP Offline
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Registered: 03/04/04
Posts: 1574
Loc: Eastern Idaho
I backpack with youth a lot. Boys and girls. It’s neat to see when the girls stop worrying about makeup and just live with dirt.

I’m making this long story short: Our oldest daughter didn’t want to backpack. Back when she was 16, she found out this cute boy was going on our backpacking trip. She asked some other girls if they wanted to go; and they did. We had 6 adult chaperones and a lengthy trip planned. The cute boy said “Girls are coming? Oh man, they’re going to slow us down!” Daughter heard it. That’s all she needed to get fully invigorated. She made a silent resolve that she will be at the front the whole way. I’m a 2mph hiker but that trip became a 3mph hike (sometimes 4)! Ouch. She led. She had the lead walkie talkie with GPS capability so we could track her. Sometimes she was 1 mile ahead!

Anyway, us adults were sore, not being used to that speed- and other issues that came up.

But my daughter constantly talks about that trip more than any others today. I guess she talks about it at work, because they gave her a ‘hiking’ t-shirt on her birthday.

Good luck. Pray for insight. Nothing wrong with enticements to do good (I don’t call it bribery).I get most my inspiration out in the woods.

-Barry

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#96742 - 05/27/08 08:51 AM Re: Women and the Out-of-Doors [Re: wandering_daisy]
alanwenker Offline
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Registered: 02/04/03
Posts: 812
Add scared of the dark to the list. My wife will go on day hikes, actually enjoys them, but refers to camping as "playing house in the woods." She likes to sleep in a bed, with sheets and bathrooms that have running water and flush toilets. I've given up trying to enlighten her. Next month my two daughters and another dad and a friend are going canoeing for a few days. My wife will have time alone at home. It all works out somehow.

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#96743 - 05/27/08 09:18 AM Re: Women and the Out-of-Doors [Re: BarryP]
Glenn Offline
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Registered: 03/08/06
Posts: 2617
Loc: Ohio
And that cute boy: did he chase her until she caught him?

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#96744 - 05/27/08 10:11 AM Re: Women and the Out-of-Doors [Re: Glenn]
BarryP Offline
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Registered: 03/04/04
Posts: 1574
Loc: Eastern Idaho
“And that cute boy: did he chase her until she caught him?”

At the time she was 16, he was 13! But no. Long story short: She now lives in Spain with a guy she married from Peru. And he’s younger than her! I don’t know why she likes younger men/boys! Maybe it’s because my wife is… sdoijrsnseat., ouch! My wife just slapped my hand. I will stop posting now.

-Barry

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