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#92544 - 03/20/08 11:59 AM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: hootyhoo]
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Let's see....Maybe in the Constitution of The United States????? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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#92545 - 03/20/08 04:19 PM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: wld_rthr_b_ridng]
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That is probably one of the hardest decisions to make. How it the heck am I gonna carry it? I personally may fabricate a pouch around a holster that would attach to the belt of my pack. Make it look like a regular nylon type pouch that is actually the holster, (inside of it).

Who knows, perhaps it is a future project for me to tinker with.

Tom
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#92546 - 03/20/08 05:19 PM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: 12Step]
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12step,

I think Uncle Mike's makes a holster like that. It just attaches onto a belt. I've thought of buying one to rig onto a pack waistbelt, but I'm not sure my pack's straps are strong enough.

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#92547 - 03/21/08 04:55 PM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: Wolfeye]
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Wolfeye
Yeh Uncle Mikes makes a wide variety of clip on style holsters <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> ,not too sure what else they got now. Attaching a holster to a pack harness is not easy, <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> then you may also want another holster (or a removeable one) so you can carry in camp. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> depends on where ya are. NOw if I was in the Everglades I'd want my .44 and hydro shock loads for gators, but then I've never run into one, but bears and lions I've delt with unarmed - so go figure.

Gun shows are great places for inovative holsters. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#92548 - 03/22/08 10:01 AM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: Jimshaw]
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Here's a thought: what about rigging up a pouch carrier on a pack belt so it could hold a regular holster inside? Then you could take out the holster when you remove the pack and just transfer it to a belt. The pouch would provide concealment (if that's needed) and could be designed to rip open quickly with a velcro tab. The holster inside would keep the gun from shifting around, which is one concern I've had about the typical concealment pouch holsters I've seen.

I've heard the best way to avoid an animal is to get a hunting permit for it. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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#92549 - 03/22/08 06:40 PM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: Dryer]
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Don't own pistols and can't legally carry a handgun anyways, but a shotgun is a fine firearm especially on public land in bear country.

I am not too sure a 38special or similar will do much more then piss off the one animal carrying a firearm while camping would be used for at least where I camp.

Dimitri

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#92550 - 03/23/08 06:10 AM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: Jimshaw]
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And there lies the problem....where to put the artillery when not in use, but well concealed and easily accessible. The whole reason behind starting this thread. Your .44 mag. is like my 1911 .38 Super....big, heavy, gun and not something I want to haul around. My .380 is around 20 oz. with is still heavy but the size is manageable as a conceal carry piece in the backcountry.

I've got Uncle Mike's "sidekick" holsters that have metal belt clips but those do nothing for concealment. My current idea is to mount the holster inside a small fanny pack (or use a paddle holster), and replace the zipper with velcro for speed. That would provide support, concealment (the law here...no "print through") and speedy access.

Thinking further, the ONLY critter I've ever had a problem with in the backcountry is dogs. Humans might come in second as a concern on the border. Cats and bears are simply not considered threats in my mind. Your likelihood of getting tagged by a raccoon is a 1000% higher....I see those every trip. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
So, in the "reduce pack weight" thinking, I'm looking at .22 mag and even possibly .17 HMR. Reading some of the data on those two rounds suggests a couple of things. Jacketed hollow-points in .22 mag have a good track record for stopping power and shot placement (accuracy...the most important factor) goes up with reduced recoil.
The North American Arms Black Widow in 22. mag weighs 8.8 oz.! Some of the Taurus .17 revolvers weight in the 11 oz. range. And, of course, the S&W 340pd weights 11oz. at $750.....(I'm a cheapskate <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />)

The 9mm Kel Tec PF-9 at 11 oz. is attractive but shot placement probably drops to 1-2 foot groups at 20 yards, making the bigger round moot, unless you are lucky and 'steely eyed' under pressure.

Another thing I've always noticed in these firearm/caliber discussions....
We all get hung up on "one shot stopping power", etc. A 'one shot kill' is very important in hunting. And a war zone. In the back country, or the city street, a 'back up gun' is a last resort 'equalizer' and it's mere presence can turn the tide without firing a shot.
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#92551 - 03/23/08 08:23 AM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: Dryer]
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So, in the "reduce pack weight" thinking, I'm looking at .22 mag and even possibly .17 HMR. Reading some of the data on those two rounds suggests a couple of things. Jacketed hollow-points in .22 mag have a good track record for stopping power and shot placement (accuracy...the most important factor) goes up with reduced recoil.
The North American Arms Black Widow in 22. mag weighs 8.8 oz.! Some of the Taurus .17 revolvers weight in the 11 oz. range. And, of course, the S&W 340pd weights 11oz. at $750.....(I'm a cheapskate <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />)


I wasn't kidding when I said .22lr in my original post dryer. CCI stingers have a very good track record too, and both the ammo and guns are cheaper. I think in your position I'd take
a hot .22lr. Lighter, cheaper, and just fine for feral dogs.
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#92552 - 03/23/08 10:27 AM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: Dryer]
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Dryer
I believe an FBI statistic says there are 1.3 shots fired in the average shootout. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />That means in one out of three instances, a return shot is fired - says a lot for single shot weapons, <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> unless you miss, but if the other guy fires first, at least you saved a lot of weight by not carrying a better gun... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I have found that the mere presence of a legally displayed .45 or .44 <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> is more than adequate to deter anyone who may have considered me a good target. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> Stainless steel can be seen from further away, but the Dirty Harry large frame revolver in shoulder holster kicks me into a different mode that I have to be sensitive to. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> I am extremely polite to anyone I meet. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> The men are extremely polite back <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> and the women will not catch my eye. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Frankly I think a "starters gun" wold be as good of deterent as most anything. Did I mention that I have never fired the .44 in the wilderness except to shoot grouse with snake shot. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> I have only "grabbed" it 3 times, once for a lion, once for a dog, and once when I rappelled into a lions den unknowingly. Yep sometimes I pack when climbing. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Oh the super blackhawk weighs 48 ounces unloaded and .44 rounds are not UL. However I relly only need 2 rounds I guess, one snake shot, one magnum.

Jim <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

P.S. If I was hiking in areas where I might run into illegals I would carry a Walther P38 in a German army leather holster. You have to decide what the probability is of needing an accurate side arm and your "firepower" and if the other guys have AK47s, you better have a good long range load. Frankly though I never intend to be in a shootout, I would prefer my Ruger bull barrel .22 lr, or my superblackhawk .44. A good .44 can send a large chunk of lead at very highspeed into a very tiny target. I have frankly never used a gun as easy to shoot accurately as the .44, except for the target pistol. But it takes very strong hands and a steady eye... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

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#92553 - 03/23/08 01:21 PM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: Dryer]
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Edward Abbey's choice of backpacking caliber is just fine with me, .357 magnum. I do like a bit of heft in a powerful pocket revolver though so I go with the all steel but lighter weight J frame that S&W offers. I have hefted the diminutive scandium models but I'll pack the 21 oz of the steel. They tuck away nicely.



We do a lot of hiking down around the Arizona/Mexico border, one of the most active smuggling routes in America. It is obvious when you are there. There are some beautiful mountain ranges, austere bajadas and canyons, one that runs right down to the border fence that we travel often.

I do like the Kahr Mini K-9 as well, a flat compact 9mm that has about the same heft as my S&W 60-14. So for me, compact, somewhat light but not ultra-light. I find this class the most shootable for the small size and easily concealable.



I have a good solid S&W .22 mag in a J frame the mod 650 that makes a decent trail weapon but prefer the larger calibers in most cases when hiking with girlfriend.

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#92554 - 03/23/08 03:43 PM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: Arizona]
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I have a good solid S&W .22 mag in a J frame the mod 650 that makes a decent trail weapon but prefer the larger calibers in most cases when hiking with girlfriend.


???????? Boy....is that because you have a mean a$$ed girl friend or are you married? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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#92555 - 03/23/08 03:48 PM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: 6brnorma]
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I have a good solid S&W .22 mag in a J frame the mod 650 that makes a decent trail weapon but prefer the larger calibers in most cases when hiking with girlfriend.


???????? Boy....is that because you have a mean a$$ed girl friend or are you married? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Son, that is because I take care of my girlfriend out there. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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#92556 - 03/23/08 06:45 PM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: Wolfeye]
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I've heard the best way to avoid an animal is to get a hunting permit for it. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Ain't that the truth ! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#92557 - 03/23/08 08:59 PM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: phat]
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It's interesting to hear people mention wild dogs. I think I mentioned this in a post months ago, but they're the only animal I've encountered that I have a real fear for; they may or may not have a fearful respect for humans the way other animals do, and they can get an unhealthy gangster-pack mentality when they're too wild.

I have been thinking of backing down from carrying a full-powered .44 magnum or even .357 magnum when hiking, at least in the lower 48. I think hot .38 +p would be enough for most likely threats. I'm very curious about the S&W Airweight 442 or 642, or possibly their Airlight M&P 340. An Airweight 317 sounds like it would be fun for small game hunting, too, but I don't know if I'd depend on .22 lr for protection.

Edit: If anybody's interested, it looks like the hottest .38 +p loads out there are made by Buffalo Bore and Double Tap. They almost have the same muzzle energy as light .357 magnums, which is impressive.


Edited by Wolfeye (03/23/08 09:09 PM)

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#92558 - 03/23/08 10:00 PM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: Wolfeye]
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FOLKS. IF YOU DON'T ALREADY OWN A GUN, AND IF YOU ARE NOT ALREADY AN EXPERT MARKSMAN, DON'T BUY ONE THINKING YOU CAN USE IT ADEQUATELY FOR SELF DEFENCE.
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Wolfeye,

re: wild dogs. Since I am now a dog person I do not fear them as I did. I've seen my dad walk up to really dangerous dogs and be nice to them and they're all good dogs underneath. I have squared off with wild dogs before and I kept a stick between us and they sensed that this wasn't really the right guy to bite. I ws attacked by a huge feral dog in Alaska except I pointed a 94 winchester at him as he lept for me and it was apparent that he realised the rapid change in status quo and turned midair and was gone as soon as he came. Dogs know. One night I was jumped by about 8 dogs on a dark farm road when I realised one of them was my dog, so I kicked her and yelled at her and suddenly after she yelped, all the dogs became real friendly and walked down the road with me just as nice as could be <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I like hot loads, <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> but every time I fire one I rub my hand over my face to see if its covered with blood. The tiny bits of lead dust and powder that hit you in the face are not happy makers. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> The pressure behind some of those hot loads is very near the failing point of the metal in the reciever. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> Besides wasting power, magnum loads really push the metals of the slug, caseing, and breach to their limits. I cannot eject some hot loads from my .44 without a hammer and a ram rod because the brass flows under the load pressure. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> I'm firing .44 P++magnums and brown bear loads. Now a brown bear load has a 480 grain slug (square ends and it just fills the entire chmber) and the powder is backed off to 19 grains, and its still a compressed powder load, which means the bullet is so large that there isn't enough room for the powder, and extreme initial pressure and burn rate result. Big loads like these leave a ball of fire about 6 feet from the muzzle when they go off. If you don't flinch you se the fireball and hit the target, no fireball, no direct hit. It takes guts to follow through with something that big exploding in your hand. I've given some big loads to friends who politely return them after shooting one. I love one handed shooting of magnums, just be careful not to hit yourself in the face <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> when it goes off and keep a good grip or it will get you in the thumb with the hammer as it flips back. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Frankly I do not understand non-gun people feeling a need to carry one when "out of doors" when they feel safe without one in the big city.


Jim YMMV

P.S. there are many reasons to file the front sight off a big handgun... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> many stated here before, but not cutting your face with the sight is as good a reason as protecting your hind sides from the bears retribution... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#92559 - 03/23/08 10:30 PM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: finallyME]
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I've heard the best way to avoid an animal is to get a hunting permit for it. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Ain't that the truth ! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Better not be the case for the guy that got the 'Commissioners Elk Tag' last night....he paid $195,000.00 for it. (1 Arizona tag) <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

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#92560 - 03/24/08 06:21 AM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: Jimshaw]
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FOLKS. IF YOU DON'T ALREADY OWN A GUN, AND IF YOU ARE NOT ALREADY AN EXPERT MARKSMAN, DON'T BUY ONE THINKING YOU CAN USE IT ADEQUATELY FOR SELF DEFENCE.


Abslolutly!


Regarding wild (or not wild) dogs. Dogs are the ONLY critter I've been bitten and threatened by. I had an out-of-control great dane bite me in the ribs. I have a scar on my upper lip from a dog biting me in the face as a kid. Twice, while working in my nature preserve, I had a pit bull lunge at me only to be tackled and restrained by it's owner, and a loose rottweiler I had to hold off with a pair of pruning lopers. Can't tell you how many dogs have chased me on my bike. I don't know about other cities, but here in Dallas it's now cool for young adults to have personal attack/fighting dogs tugging at the leash for no more than the terror factor. Our little town of 47,000 has passed a "pit-bull" law because of our animal control officer's dealings.
There is nothing more unnerving than trying to mow/trim trails and being blindsided by an unleashed dog, or being passed by a "hiker" with a mean dog snarling at me. I see/hear/smell humans long before they see me because they tend to keep to the trails. Dogs cut through the brush and pop out anywhere.
I've had two loose/lost pit-bulls wander out of my park with no owners behind. I don't dislike well behaved, pet dogs, in fact I sometimes work with a local SAR dog group. However, I do not know you or your dog. If said dog appears aggressive or threatening, I'll be aggressive and threatening back! Lead based pepper spray is certainly one clear option.


Hot loads= FUN! Jim, I use to make up "accuracy loads" for .25x06 and other varmint rounds. You can push a rifle round to mid-air dissentigration. .38 Super is a good round to push but as you say, it's possible to accede the pressure limits of the chamber....i.e., it's hard on the weapon. Gun metal 'work hardens' just like a scuba tank with use, and that's when cracks, bulges, and shaved lead (your .44 mag sounds like it's cylinder timing is off... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />) happens.
When I started shooting air pistol contests, I backed off all my powder ammunition velocities for accuracy. Instead of hot loads, shot placement has taken front burner. The result is more shooting and less hand hurting.... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> Guess I'm getting old and soft.
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#92561 - 03/24/08 06:35 AM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: 6brnorma]
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I've heard the best way to avoid an animal is to get a hunting permit for it. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Ain't that the truth ! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Better not be the case for the guy that got the 'Commissioners Elk Tag' last night....he paid $195,000.00 for it. (1 Arizona tag) <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />


Just think how many WM bags that would buy. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#92562 - 03/30/08 11:37 PM Lightweight sidearms...Tarus .357 Total Titanium [Re: Dryer]
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The Tarus Total Titanium is about as light as they come.

But I like the Tarus Tracker in .44 Magnum with the ported 4" barrel.

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#92563 - 03/31/08 03:34 PM Re: Lightweight sidearms...Tarus .357 Total Titanium [Re: 300winmag]
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My dad FINALLY sold me his Taurs Titanium M651TI 357. It is light, about a pound and some slight change.


Tom
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#92564 - 04/02/08 10:22 AM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: Arizona]
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I've been following this thread, I haven't seen much comment on the Kahr PM9 polymer frame. Anyone shot one? Not sure whether DA only trigger pull will be comfortable.

I've kind of settled on 9mm and this version weighs just 16 oz empty. Still might consider a .380, but that means adding another cartridge to the collection.

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#92565 - 04/02/08 11:02 AM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: Paddy_Crow]
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I've dry fired the Kahr. Good handgun, good reviews, but pricey. The DA only triggers/actions are where I'm headed, for safety. It's no different than a revolver and you get used to it.
I'm considering a Sccy CPX-1 for grins. It's a 9mm, stainless and plastic at 17 oz. for a 10-1 pistol. It's also got a 'second strike' hammer which I wanted. It's a newish design but most of the bugs have been worked out and it's priced right.
I too have decided on either 9mm or .45 as caliber of choice but more for economic reasons. 9mm ammo is half the price of .380.
I've stopped shooting .38 Super at $22 a box.
Ruger and Sccy have started competing seriously against Kel Tec. I saw one of the first Ruger LCP .380s at the range last week. 9 oz. .380 and better fit and finish than the Kel Tec version of the same pistol.
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#92566 - 04/02/08 11:11 AM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: Dryer]
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I've stopped shooting .38 Super at $22 a box.


Geez - roll your own man! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I'd run off a few thousand for you in the Dillon, but I suspect that both canada post and customs would frown upon a thousand rounds of pistol ammo in the Earthling box <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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#92567 - 04/02/08 11:19 AM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: Dryer]
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Loc: Michigan
I already have a .40 S&W compact, but it's not quite as small as I'd like for concealed carry. It now occupies my night stand.

I've seen a few Kahr PM9's for sale used, not terribly high priced. I'll have to check out the Sccy CPX-1.

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#92568 - 04/02/08 11:32 AM Re: Lightweight sidearms....interesting choices. [Re: Paddy_Crow]
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Registered: 05/11/05
Posts: 252
Loc: Arizona
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I've been following this thread, I haven't seen much comment on the Kahr PM9 polymer frame. Anyone shot one? Not sure whether DA only trigger pull will be comfortable.

I've kind of settled on 9mm and this version weighs just 16 oz empty. Still might consider a .380, but that means adding another cartridge to the collection.


PC,
The Kahr PM9 has become my favorite (everyday) CCW firearm. It is a solid round, ammo is common with lots of bullet selection and easy to roll your own, the Kahr is very flat and easy to conceal in a number of different carries and it is a very nice and comfortable shooter. It does have a little more heft than the titanium models so I carry the S&W titanium when hiking. Personally, if I could only afford one....it would be the Kahr.

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