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#90541 - 03/11/08 09:22 AM Re: Heet 50˘! [Re: BarryP]
BobEFord Offline
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Registered: 01/28/08
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Loc: SE AZ
Anyone know what the "proprietary additive" is that they put in this stuff? Probably petroleum distillates.

http://zenstoves.net/MSDS/MSDSHeet.htm

Methanol is pretty toxic on it's own. I like to think I'm getting away from as many nasty chemicals as I can when I backpack.

Ethanol gives you more BTUs per weight and you can get it non-poison flavored. Go with the pure, food grade or drinking ethanol and you avoid the petroleum distillates they use for de-naturing.

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#90542 - 03/11/08 02:16 PM Re: Heet 50˘! [Re: BobEFord]
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“Methanol is pretty toxic on it's own.”

Methanol is better stuff to spill in your pack that petroleum fuel. It evaporates fast and doesn’t eat up your fabric. Also you would have to swim in the stuff to get the toxic effects. However, it’s natural to play it safe and not spill the stuff all over you.

“Ethanol gives you more BTUs per weight..”

It’s not worth the cost.

-Barry

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#90543 - 03/12/08 09:54 AM Re: Heet 50˘! [Re: BarryP]
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For economy on the methanol, you can get a gonga deal by buying dragster fuel, too.

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#90544 - 03/14/08 07:41 PM Re: Heet 50˘! [Re: BobEFord]
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I've heard of a few people here in the Ozarks that might know where you can get some high quality ethanol and it's supposed to be really good for camping too. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Bill

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#90545 - 03/15/08 09:04 AM Re: Heet 50˘! [Re: billstephenson]
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Down here they make the ethanol from agaves. Some call it To-Kill-Ya <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Not so cheap at Wallyworld but the SuperMercado has a deal. I know the proprietary additive - Worms.


Edited by BobEFord (03/15/08 09:10 AM)

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#90546 - 05/19/08 04:47 PM Re: Heet 50˘! [Re: billstephenson]
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I hear that you may run up on some in the hills of Tennessee too. It tastes great and you can also use it for camping... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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#90547 - 06/02/08 02:40 AM Re: Walmart Surprises [Re: BarryP]
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That's surprises. I think we can find anything in Walmart!

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#90548 - 06/02/08 09:57 AM Re: Walmart Surprises [Re: thomasz]
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It seems that manufacturing technology has improved & changed a lot in the past 30 years such that cheap stuff is of higher quality than formerly.

This is clearly true in the case of bicycles, perhaps knives, other examples?

Some of my preferences in gear selection might be dictated largely by aesthetics and/or psychology rather than practicality.

For example, it's unlikely that I'd ever use any product made by Coleman. This is NOT an issue of price or quality regarding Coleman stoves, nor a question of whether or not they are sold at Wal-Mart (I don't know if they are.)

The reason is, when I was a youngster, Sears sold Coleman equipment and the "real backpacking equipment" was sold in specialty catalogs. (Sears' product endorsement relationships of the day with Edmund Hillary and Ted Williams not withstanding).

As of today, certain contemporary Coleman stoves are perfectly good for backpacking, but my residual prejudice is simply too deep, and there is no compelling reason currently for me to try to overcome this irrationality.

On the other hand, I'm a cheap [ illegitimate child?* ] contrarian, and the nicest pack I've purchased in quite some time was bought for roughly US $50, on sale from MEC several years ago.

I like it because it fits, it's good, it's well designed, it was cheaper than dirt, AND it has an obscure (in US) brand logo that obviously isn't from Wal-Mart (or Sears). It's like a fashion statement. I fully realize this is pointless, vain and stupid, and I plead guilty. But from a practical standpoint, it doesn't matter because it's a perfectly good pack and I like it.

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#90549 - 06/02/08 11:19 AM Re: Walmart Surprises [Re: johndavid]
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My prejudice is the reason why I won't even go INTO a Walmart.
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