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#202263 - 12/08/18 07:26 AM New members
GrumpyGord Offline
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Registered: 01/05/02
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I find it interesting that we seem to get some new members from time to time who apparently read through old posts and post to several five year old threads. They post to five or ten threads and then they disappear. We need some way to get new younger members. The regular posters all seem to be AARP and above. Is regular backpacking an old folks game?

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#202264 - 12/08/18 10:00 AM Re: New members [Re: GrumpyGord]
Glenn Roberts Online   content
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Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 1654
Loc: Southwest Ohio
I don’t think backpacking is an AARP game; I see a lot of young people on the trail, too. I suspect part of the answer to why we aren’t seeing a lot of new members is that many people, especially younger people (say, below 50? Funny how “younger” is a relative term that keeps getting older) are just not literary.

I did not say they are not literate. They are - they just don’t express themselves by writing. I just went to You Tube and looked for videos posted in the last week on backpacking, and found several pages of uploads. While manufacturers and retailers use this medium to advertise, the overwhelming majority were younger people who were sharing trip reports and gear reviews and general observations about how and where they backpack. I suspect many are quite good, though I don’t spend a lot of time on You Tube videos.

It may well be that our demographic is one that is in decline. I know I’m here because I like to follow people’s thoughts and logic; the mental excercise is important to me. I don’t get pulled in by visuals the same way I do by the written word. My son and daughter in law are big readers and writers; my daughter and son in law are highly visual. My granddaughters read only when school requires it; for pleasure, they are entirely visual.

I suspect the times, they are a-changin’.

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#202265 - 12/08/18 10:44 AM Re: New members [Re: Glenn Roberts]
Pika Offline
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Glenn, I think you are correct in your observation that young people are becoming more visual as time passes. However, in my experience the phenomenon started with the advent of TV and has been steadily progressing since. I was in my teens before my family got a TV and so reading was the only way or me to obtain most information. To this day, my wife and I don’t have a TV set in the house. My sister, on the other hand, is a quintessential baby boomer if ever there was one. She grew up with TV and is now a continuous user of the internet, social media and her smart phone. My son grew up with computers, earns his living with them and has difficulty imagining a world without. My granddaughter, now 18, can’t conceive of a world without smartphones and Utube.

I spent 25 years teaching at the university level and saw the shift from reading and writing to the visual over the years. Before I retired 20 years ago students were starting to complain if lectures weren’t on PowerPoint with video supplements. They also would complain if lecture notes were not put on the course website. Quite different from my college days.

Fortunately, I retired before I had to develop websites for the courses I taught.
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#202301 - 12/16/18 03:45 PM Re: New members [Re: Glenn Roberts]
Bill Kennedy Offline
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Registered: 02/27/18
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Loc: Portland, Oregon
Originally Posted By Glenn Roberts


I did not say they are not literate. They are - they just don’t express themselves by writing.


I have to disagree. Many, perhaps most, can't express themselves by writing. At least, not very well. I think we're in the second or third generation of relative illiteracy, that is, the teachers are less able to use language effectively now.

I'm constantly made aware of this by watching TV newscasters. Presumably, they're college-educated individuals with an interest in journalism, yet they don't know the difference between "less" and "fewer," or "simple" and "simplistic."

I'll spare you the rest of my rant, but it would seem that if someone like myself, a high school graduate, is noticing this trend, something is amiss somewhere.

Actually, if asked, I tell people I went to USC - Uncle Sam's College.
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#202303 - 12/16/18 04:16 PM Re: New members [Re: Pika]
Bill Kennedy Offline
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Registered: 02/27/18
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Loc: Portland, Oregon
It seems that with every technological step forward, something is lost, too. In this case, it's literacy. For some reason, I'm reminded of this quote from Abraham Lincoln, which I think is a good example of the kind of eloquence we're unlikely to hear from our current leaders:

"...that he ordered General Taylor into the midst of a peaceful Mexican settlement, purposely to bring on a war; that originally having some strong motive—what I will not stop now to give my opinion concerning—to involve the two countries in a war, and trusting to escape scrutiny by fixing the public gaze upon the exceeding brightness of military glory—that attractive rainbow that rises in showers of blood—that serpent’s eye that charms to destroy-he plunged into it, and has swept on and on, till disappointed in his calculation of the ease with which Mexico might be subdued..."

Maybe slightly off-topic, but the line, "the exceeding brightness of military glory—that attractive rainbow that rises in showers of blood" is so perfect that I'll take any opportunity to share it.
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#202435 - 01/18/19 05:49 PM Re: New members [Re: Bill Kennedy]
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Registered: 10/22/03
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Ya know I couldn't help but notice a 13 year gap in these posts. I suppose the young and modern have changed even more in the lapse of time. I find it interesting that our 26 year old roomate thinks he has all the worlds knowledge on Google. Like math for instance, but he never graduated from high school and doesn't even know what question to ask of how to interpret the answers, thus we enter todays society where every member has a different reality. Peoples beliefs are based on hearsay, popular opinion etc, not on fact. This new voting population who cannot separate fact from bullcrap are creating our new reality simply by believing wgat they believe which changes from week to week. You can now sit and write in your own home and have a legal tok. Thats just because people believed in it. Jim


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#202437 - 01/19/19 03:21 AM Re: New members [Re: Jimshaw]
Bill Kennedy Offline
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I agree. But I don't understand what you mean by a 13-year gap in the posts.
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#202439 - 01/19/19 07:10 AM Re: New members [Re: Jimshaw]
Glenn Roberts Online   content
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Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 1654
Loc: Southwest Ohio
Not sure it’s just the “new voting population.” Trump, Pelosi, McConnell, Schumer and company didn’t win by just attracting those folks.

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#202453 - 01/21/19 08:51 AM Re: New members [Re: Glenn Roberts]
DaveLemen Offline
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Registered: 12/02/18
Posts: 2
Hey all. As someone just looking to test the water with backpacking, I've been lurking here for a bit.

I was originally going to comment here that there are some younger guys joining the forum... but with your line being at 50 (which I turn later this year), maybe I don't count as a "younger" person.

In any event, there is at least one new member here. Though I would still have to agree that the overall trend is towards less written media.

Peace,

-Dave

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#202456 - 01/21/19 03:32 PM Re: New members [Re: DaveLemen]
Bill Kennedy Offline
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Loc: Portland, Oregon
Welcome...and you're just a kid smile
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#202470 - Yesterday at 07:32 PM Re: New members [Re: Jimshaw]
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Registered: 01/12/16
Posts: 205
Loc: PNW
I read a story recently about a test given various age groups to determine which age group was more susceptible to 'fake news'. Turns out it was the older folks, not the younger folks, who were more likely not to be able to 'separate fact from bullcrap.'

Just sayin'


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