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#145372 - 01/24/11 12:10 PM Re: Very specific NeoAir question [Re: Glenn]
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It's good feedback Glenn, and adds to the collective NeoAir experience. And just in time (well, not quite) CD announces an "All-Season" NeoAir at the OR Winter show, with a 4.9 R-rating.

We'll see.

Cheers,

Originally Posted By Glenn
Since I'd originally started this thread, with a very narrow, specific question, I just thought all the folks who had shared a lot of really good information with me might like to know how things worked out.

Actually, the clothing was planned, not just luck. I'd assembled the whole system after reading the same posts you did that said you should wear everything. Like you, I don't agree with that; I'd prefer to use clothes as a safety margin. So, I assembled my gear with the idea that I wouldn't really head out if predictions were for lower than 20 degrees, and that the clothing would provide a 10 degree safety margin if one night got a bit colder than predicted. The trip I described above was simply one of those rare opportunities you get to test out your theory in a "safe" environment, where I could have walked back to the car pretty easily if the theory fell apart.
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#145373 - 01/24/11 12:32 PM Re: Very specific NeoAir question [Re: Rick_D]
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Man, just when I thought I could quit buying gear for a while! grin

That would make the Z-lite less necessary as backup, since the two pads' R-factors, added together, are between 4 and 5, as Franco pointed out earlier.

How much heavier is this cold-weather version?

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#145379 - 01/24/11 01:30 PM Re: Very specific NeoAir question [Re: Glenn]
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I agree Glenn on the safety margin, if you gotta get out in the morning with everything you have on already, I hope it warms up fast. I just use my Exped DAM 9 for single pad usage.

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#145381 - 01/24/11 01:46 PM Re: Very specific NeoAir question [Re: hikerduane]
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Those are nice pads - heavy, but nice. (And heavy is in the mind of the beholder, right?)

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#145382 - 01/24/11 01:54 PM Re: Very specific NeoAir question [Re: Glenn]
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Originally Posted By Glenn
Those are nice pads - heavy, but nice. (And heavy is in the mind of the beholder, right?)


Naw, the Expeds are just heavy. But the pump built into the side baffle is wicked cool, and they are truly comfortable - at least on the floor of the store. wink
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#145388 - 01/24/11 02:51 PM Re: Very specific NeoAir question [Re: Glenn]
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Per the fact sheet, the "medium" is 20x66 and weighs 18 ounces.

CD press kit fact sheet

I'd be surprised to see a shorty version (which is what I have in the standard NeoAir). We'll know more in July.

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#145389 - 01/24/11 03:00 PM Re: Very specific NeoAir question [Re: Rick_D]
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Thanks for the stats. I'm not really interested in anything longer than the 48" pad I carry now - anything longer gets in the way of storing my pack in the end of my tent and using it as a pad under my feet and ankles.

Also, the shorty NeoAir plus the shorty Z-lite is only about 19 ounces for a bit more R-value.

Be interesting to see, though.

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#145391 - 01/24/11 03:12 PM Re: Very specific NeoAir question [Re: Rick_D]
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Looks like the Instaflator people are going to have some competition with the Air Tap pump - tho the Air Tap costs twice as much.
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#145393 - 01/24/11 03:59 PM Re: Very specific NeoAir question [Re: lori]
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Something new? I have one that is 7 years old, pump is the stuff sack. Exped DAM9 we are still talking about.

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#145399 - 01/24/11 06:31 PM Re: Very specific NeoAir question [Re: hikerduane]
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Yes, the latest models integrate the pump into a baffle, it's not unlike providing CPR to inflate.
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#145412 - 01/24/11 09:52 PM Re: Very specific NeoAir question [Re: lori]
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Wow! With my side opening BD Hilight tent, if there was any weather, I'd be out in it, trying to inflate my pad which is already at least 6' long, then you have to add the length of the pump/stuff sack, I'm out in right field trying to inflate it.

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#145415 - 01/24/11 10:32 PM Re: Very specific NeoAir question [Re: hikerduane]
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I don't know how it will work with the TM pump but I can inflate the Neo Air inside a tent with the Instaflator.
(I tried that inside the TT Moment)
Connect the pump to the Neo Air. Put the Neo Air against a wall side ways. Have the valve at the top corner opposite to you.
Unroll the bag blow in it so it opens up and then roll it towards the valve. It takes for me about 3 'loads" instead of about 2.5 but it is doable.
Not that I would bother with the std Neo but once I make an adaptor for my pre built-in pump Exped it maybe worth doing.
Franco

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#145419 - 01/25/11 12:52 AM Re: Very specific NeoAir question [Re: Franco]
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I got lost here I guess. Is this pump a separate purchase, to be used instead of ones lungs? I know I have to use the stuff sack for the Exped inflation because of the down. My money this last year has been going towards vintage stoves instead of bp gear and research.

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#145421 - 01/25/11 02:33 AM Re: Very specific NeoAir question [Re: hikerduane]
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The pump is an included accessory . You don't have to use it but you can.
(for people that find inflating that type of mat a bit of a struggle)
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