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#111499 - 02/19/09 11:31 AM Re: Tough guy or idiot? [Re: sago]
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i guess my point is that although we all get out there in the wild we are all really insignificant when it comes to adventure.


That's absolutely true (except for wondering_daisy and Jim Shaw wink and it's a point well taken. But, it is also true that opportunities for fame and fortune as a result of one's adventures have dwindled down to Bear Grylls type sensationalism for mainly entertainment purposes.

The closest thing to real adventurers I've heard of in a long time are these two guys...

Footsteps of Marco Polo

But I'm quite satisfied with my little adventures. Though not epic, they are a lot of fun smile

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#111509 - 02/19/09 03:02 PM Re: Tough guy or idiot? [Re: sago]
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Loc: Arizona
Originally Posted By sago
... you guys forget that risk takers were the reason we go out to the back country ...


So this next winter, when I hit the big Five O, I plan to be camping in a wilderness somewhere in celebration and I'll toast to these two youngster risk takers that passed before me and showed me the way.

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#111633 - 02/21/09 01:46 AM Re: Tough guy or idiot? [Re: billstephenson]
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Bill:

Thanks for that. Adventure can be just a few steps from our doorstep.

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#111717 - 02/22/09 02:12 PM Re: Tough guy or idiot? [Re: billstephenson]
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Well thank you Bill,
I feel like I walk amongst giants... thank you WD.

But to address your post - many of us old farts took to the wilderness like those early himalyan mountaineers - no fear - do it or die along the way, and that was alright with us. You'll notice that WD, Pika, myself, and others who are really experienced are also old and fearless. There are old climbers, and bold climbers, but few old bold climbers. Notice that amongst this bunch, most are not only climbers, but extreme climbers, and people who have lived for extended time in extreme environments, like Pika in Antarctica. We do not approach the wilderness with the attitude of lets go have some safe fun on trail. We go with the idea of lets wait for a mtn storm, then we'll ski into the teeth of it and do a mixed rock/ice climb when we get there. A lot of us backpacked to get our ropes to the particular rock we wanted, and we carried 25 pounds of climbing gear and our camping gear, BUT it takes second place to the climbers of the golden era who carried 50 pounds of soft iron pitons and hemp ropes.

Point is - modern camping is based on safety, old time camping was intended to be more on the edge. Modern campers rarely risk their lives on a daily basis for fun, like sport climbers. The majority of people who read this group fall into that group. The differences in opinion about the reliability of gear comes from the fact that some have to rely on our gear to survive, and some rely on their gear to get them down a relatively safe well travelled path.

I err on being prepared, its kept me alive. But to say that I'm not an idiot who has done all kinds of dangerous things simply because they were dangerous would be inaccurate. I am way crazier than most, but it has given me the opportunity to perfect skills that others do not have and that keep me alive.

I am a solo rock climber and solo winter ski camper. I just say that to define my level of crazy. Because of this, my gear has to be up to my crazyness. Your camping style probably does NOT require the same gear.
Jim
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