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#107610 - 12/07/08 11:41 AM Over the Edge: Death in Grand Canyon
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The title seems rather morbid but in fact it is more about lessons to be learned from deadly mistakes, carelessness, bad luck, and just plain stupidity. Very informative and eye-opening. The statistics can bog down a little but the the male vs female numbers are somewhat interesting.

There have been 58 deadly air crashes, at least two mid air collisions, resulting in 355 fatalities, in and around the GC.

This is my favorite quote.

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Heat is a killer. A hard lesson here is: conyoneering is emphatically not mountaineering. In any group of mountaineers, the number of potential summiteers shrinks as the mountain lets people know just how hard it is to gain altitude solely via one's own power. In other words, mountains often weed out the unfit so early in the game that, once they realize they have bitten off more than they can chew, they can often return fairly easily downhill to their staging zone. While descending most canyon trails, the ease and coolness of the descent are seductive. It's a breeze even for the unfit or the unprepared, until the time comes to hike back up. Then when it's all too often a hot, dry, hard, agonizing, and often torturous physiological contrast to the descent, the unfit get weeded out late in the game and get weeded out brutally, sometimes fatally.
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#107611 - 12/12/08 07:58 PM Re: Over the Edge: Death in Grand Canyon [Re: scottyb]
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Yeah, I'd say it's a must read for anyone going to the canyon -- particularly in the warmer months. Even long-time canyon "experts" get killed there.

The book also has its lighter side about successes and survivors -- like the kid that rode his bike over the edge !?!?! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> and survived with a few scratches or the helicopter pilot that successfully warned people of a coming flash flood.
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#108650 - 01/02/09 10:07 AM Re: Over the Edge: Death in Grand Canyon [Re: Keith]
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The investigation of the Howland brothers and William Dunn, the three men who seperated from Powell's expedition, is very interesting and in depth. The conclusion was somewhat of a surprise and I think is a must read for any Powell enthusiast.
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