Backpack ???

Posted by: Hillbilly

Backpack ??? - 11/17/14 01:50 PM

I'm looking at backpacks, This one seems to be what I'm after, but I'm looking for opinions.
First, I hunt, I've hunted Western Montana, Have family in Wa. and plan to hunt there. My son in law and I are talking about going to hunt the Bob Marshall wilderness area in Mt.
I know I'll need to be prepared for any weather and at least a week(maybe two)in the field. We'll be setting up a base camp and moving around from there. I was looking at Cabela's 85L Prestige frame pack. It's quite heavy at 11lbs. but has 5187cu.in., a 2l hydration bladder, rifle/bow holder, rain cover and the pack comes off the frame for hauling out meat/ head.
Does anyone have any experience with these? There is a 70L and a 100L.I think 5187 inches will do well.
Any input is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Rick
Posted by: Gershon

Re: Backpack ??? - 11/20/14 02:42 PM

An 11 pound pack is too heavy. When you fill the pack, it will probably weigh about 70 pounds. Forget about carrying that very far.
Posted by: OregonMouse

Re: Backpack ??? - 11/20/14 05:27 PM

11 lbs. is my total weight for everything except food and water--and that's hiking in the high Cascades or Rockies, 3 season (temps down to 10*F). While for what you want you do need a more robust pack, probably an external frame, 11 lbs. for the pack alone is ridiculous.

Here is a gear list for a high altitude elk hunt in Colorado. Note that his pack (pack frame plus pack bag plus pack pocket) weighs 4.6 lbs.
Posted by: Hillbilly

Re: Backpack ??? - 11/26/14 02:58 PM

Thanks Gershon and OreganMouse,
Your input is helpful. Is weight the difference between internal and external frame packs. Packing out an animal is a major concern. I would think a freighter type frame is an absolute. Also, room for food, water, three season clothing, because during hunting season, sometimes it's cool, freezing or even hot all in a two week time period.I'll have a sleeping bag, tent, cooking utensils, flash light, batteries, small tool pouch, bow/rifle, ammo, small pack ax and shovel and TP. I'd like to see which water purifiers work best too, something you can dip in a stream and pump water into a pot or bladder and drink. Does such a filter truly exist?
Our thinking at this point is to set up a base camp 8-10 miles from the vehicle, then hunt out from there, returning in the evenings.
Posted by: Gershon

Re: Backpack ??? - 11/26/14 09:22 PM

I've never packed out an animal. Perhaps you should ask hunters in your area what they use.

Around here, I've noticed most hunters use four wheelers or they drive into a base camp. They usually have a huge tent and lots of beer.

If I were going hunting I might bring about six bullets. Maybe only three. You won't get that many good shots.

I'm not sure what you'd use an ax and a shovel for.

Before you get too far into this, I'd suggest trying to carry 75 pounds on your back for 10 miles. Use any pack for this experiment. It sounds like you are going to carry at least that much. Or you can go to Home Depot and carry a 75 pound bag of cement once around the store without resting.

My personal opinion is you are trying to pack too much learning into one trip. It seems like you are trying to learn camping, hiking and hunting in one trip. Unless you have a guide, it will likely be miserable.

Why not drive into a camp and bring all the stuff you want. Hunt 2 or 3 miles from the camp and only carry the essentials. If you manage to kill something to bring home, you can make several trips to bring all the meat.

Posted by: OregonMouse

Re: Backpack ??? - 11/26/14 10:07 PM

In any case, by now the deer and elk in the areas you're considering will long since have left the high mountains and will be down in the lowlands. You won't be that far from a road. Even if you're looking at early next fall (before the snow really starts to accumulate in October), if your hunt is successful you'll be making several trips out with the meat. No way can anyone carry 100+ lbs. of meat plus winter camping gear. That's why most elk hunters pack with horses.

The 4 1/2 lb. pack that Andrew Skurka used in the list I linked to is a freighter frame with separate (detachable) pack bag. You won't want to use an internal frame or the normal external frame (which has a permanently attached pack bag). (You can click on the items in the gear list to see what they're like.) His gear, IMHO, looked really good, although I'd personally want a heavier rifle (like a 30-06). Unfortunately, this was his first hunt and he didn't do any scouting or study of elk habits ahead of time, so the score was, as he puts it, Elk 1, Skurka 0.

Gershon, a small hatchet is really useful for butchering large game to cut through the bones (particularly the breastbone). I agree about leaving the shovel behind, though--the ground will probably be frozen!
Posted by: finallyME

Re: Backpack ??? - 12/02/14 03:06 PM

OM, thanks for the Skurka link. That is an interesting read.
I have been eyeing the Kifaru UL series of stuff. But, it is $$$.
As for wanting a 30-06, his 308 is pretty much the same thing. The ballistics are pretty similar.

For the OP, look at the Kelty Cache Hauler. It is heavy, but you need a good frame with a comfortable suspension if you want to haul meat out. The Kifaru that Skurka used is probably a better option...if you can afford it. There are also other options that have a well built, somewhat light frame for hauling.
Posted by: GNPjason

Re: Backpack ??? - 12/10/14 12:04 PM

Check out the KUIU Icon Pro Series Packs. They are made for hunters by hunters. I just picked one up to replace a Mountain Hardwear Maestro I have been using for backcountry trips for the last 7 years.

Would your trip into the Bob Marshall wilderness be your first backcountry trip? If so, that is very very ambitious. The "Bob" is an absolutely beautiful, virtually untouched and amazing place but it is also very unforgiving and quite a challenge for even the most seasoned veterans. I am not questioning your abilities Hillbilly, I am just making sure you are aware of what you are getting yourself into. Sounds like a super fun trip though.