4 season tent??

Posted by: 300winmag

4 season tent?? - 07/16/08 08:23 PM

I need a new winter tent and I'd (naturally) like the lightest I can find. The 3 man is the smallest I want in winter for two people and their bulky gear, both inside and in the vestibule.

The North Face Spectrum 3 man tent looks good. It is the same highly wind resistant design as the 1 and 2 man tents.Mountain Gear has it on sale for $219.98 Notta too bad, notta too bad.

Anybody out ther own any of these tents and have any comments on their suitability?

Posted by: bigfoot2

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/16/08 08:27 PM

How about a Golite Shangri-La (formerly know as the Hex?) ? I have used these with great success in winter :


Good luck in your search.


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Posted by: 300winmag

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/16/08 09:27 PM

Thanks Bigfoot. A good choice for light weight & weather resistance but I'm "allergic" to center pole tents.

Whaddya think of the MSR Hubba Hubba HP?
(2 man, yes, but with 2 entrances/vestibules)

Posted by: bigfoot2

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/16/08 10:41 PM

Nice choice, but i like the MSR Dragontail, myself. I guess i'm just used to jumping through hoops <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />



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Posted by: 300winmag

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/17/08 11:50 AM


Thanks for the Dragontail link. Very sturdy design.

After reading about TNF Spectrum condensation problems at BPL's "The G Spot" forum I'm veering away from single wall tents for winter.

When thinking about my double wall winter tenting experiences at single digit temps I realized that at least 1/2 of the frost condensation in the tents in the morning was on the underside of the fly, therefore not in the tent body, as it would be with a single wall tent. Plus I hsve the unscientific hunch that double wall tents would be a bit warmer as well.

If I DO get a nice double wall tent I'd likely put snaps at 6" intervals around the bottom inside edge of the fly to attatch homade silnylon snow flap extensions that I could bury to keep out spindrift and make the tent more stable in high winds. I'd use silnylon for the snow flaps on likelihood that silnylon material will shed frozen clumps of snow better when breaking camp. I may even use light Velcro between the snaps. It would all go together at home, before heading out to the Great White.

Posted by: MistaBrown

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/17/08 12:34 PM

My 4 season is pretty rock solid, but it's not very light. It's made to stand up to more than I've done with it. It stacks up to 12 lbs with everything in the bag. I haven't bothered yet to go for lighter stakes yet. It's the Eureka K2XT. It's a spacious 2 man with 2 vestibules, the front being very big with a clear plastic window. It was around $400 when I bought it. The only time I saw condensation was when we had a night of rain at 35 degrees, and it was hardly noticeable. More than enough space for 2 people, carrying a total of 100 lbs of gear, and lots of places to store your items in the mesh cargo pockets!
Posted by: johndavid

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/17/08 05:12 PM

Double-walled tents with full fly coverage and storm flaps are more than "a bit" warmer than alternatives.

That said, most four-season campers don't need a "4-season" tent. You may well be an exception, but must unfortunately therefore tolerate much higher weight and expense in order to own a specialized piece of gear.

I use the Hex 3, now Shangri La, and the MSR Twin Peaks. Banked with snow, either of these are nearly as storm-proof as any tent on the market and are twice the size of certain two-person tents. Obviously they are only a fraction of the weight of a four-season tent.

These are of course "single wall" tents. Not as warm, and yes, there will be frost but....yeah whatever.

I hear the Megamid is frequently used as cook tent high on McKinley, sometimes with a bad outcome, possibly because less care is used for cook tent than sleeping tent, in terms of building snow walls. I certainly don't know.

But very few backpackers need to camp for extended periods in that sort of potential wind and snow dump. Comparatively benign weather is the norm.

I strongly suspect both the Hex and Twin Peaks are marginally more storm stable than the Megamid.

I saw a documentary about a traditional Alaskan trapper using something like the Ti Goat tents, a larger version of Hex. She traveled with a snowmobile and carried a chainsaw to fuel the woodstove, however.

Scott used something similar on his 1911 South Pole expedition. Everyone died, but not due to inadequate tentage.
Posted by: Jimshaw

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/17/08 06:27 PM

The Spectrum weighs the same as my Bibler ElDorado. Have you ever set up a single wall internal pole tent in a storm? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> When you have, you will apreciate the difference between it and fighting what is essentially 2 tents that have to be set up, and one isn't water proof. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

The ice that you mentioned on the underside of the shell on a double walled tent, would simply evaporate off through my Toddtex tent. A roof vent makes a tremendous difference and is available on very few double walled tents. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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Posted by: johndavid

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/17/08 06:51 PM

"Have you ever set up a single wall internal pole tent in a storm? When you have, you will apreciate the difference between it and fighting what is essentially 2 tents that have to be set up, and one isn't water proof. "

Jim... do you mean a DOUBLE wall tent and make a mistake?

BTW, I think roof vents are now very common on double wall tents.
Posted by: bigfoot2

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/17/08 09:10 PM

Vents are as common on single AND double walled tents as trees in the forest these days!

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Posted by: jasonlivy

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/18/08 01:04 AM

Whaddya think of the MSR Hubba Hubba HP?
(2 man, yes, but with 2 entrances/vestibules)
I've used the Hubba Hubba HP both in the summer and winter several times and love it, but it does have it's limitations.

This tent was designed for light 4 season use, meaning that if your in an area that you don't suspect a large snowfall, then it is as good as any out there. The benefits (when compared to the original Hubba Hubba) it brings is far less mesh, more sturdy floor (10,000mm coating), reinforced guyout points, vents in the fly, etc. What it didn't improve on is the snowload capability. I've had it really staked down with the fly and I was surprised at how stable it was for a 4lb freestanding, doublewall tent, but it just isn't like a true 4 season tent.

I think one of the most stout yet packable 4 season two man tents is the MSR Fury. I would take it anywhere in the world at anytime. By using only 3 poles, the original Moss design is as capable as any tent on the market for withstanding heavy snowloads. If you already have a good 3 season tent, but want something that you just won't worry about in the winter whatever it brings, then this might be the tent for you. At only 6lb 4oz it isn't all that heavy when compared to similar tents in it's category. A couple of minor issues are that the doors are kind of small and the space is meant for two people only, no gear (the cealing sits rather high for easy changing and moving around). The hooped vestibule is nice and large enough to swallow all the extra winter gear. It has vents in the fly that can be buttoned down completely when there's a lot of wind and spindrift. The beauty of this tent is when it is set up, staked down, and, if necessary, guyed out, there won't be any movement at all, even in the most severe wind. You feel completely protected and sheltered inside which is always a good feeling. There is a certain amount of confidence in having a tent like this in that you know wherever you go and no matter how bad the weather gets, you'll be alright.

I guess you have to define what you need in a 4 season tent and where you'll probably end up going. Sometimes it's good to plan for the worst case scenerio, but if you know that you won't be in an area where you could encounter heavy snowfalls and super severe winds (60+mph) while winter camping, the Hubba Hubba HP is an excellent choice.
Posted by: 300winmag

Re: 4 season tent??Wrong subject title - 07/18/08 08:00 PM

Guess I should've titled this thread "Winter Tent??" instead B/C, as you can see from my text, I really want a winter tent. Got lots of summer & 3 season tents alresdy.

The search continues, but has been narrowed to double walled tents with decent vestibules and maybe snow skirts on the flys - or not. I MAY cough up the $$ for the Hilleberg Jannu but I cringe at the expense even though a TRUE gearhead would not give it a second thought!

Posted by: Jimshaw

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/18/08 10:12 PM


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Posted by: TomD

Re: 4 season tent??Wrong subject title - 07/19/08 12:07 AM

Hey Eric, what about the Hilleberg Nallo GT? They have a 3 person version. Not freestanding, but pretty light. Huge vestibule.
Posted by: 300winmag

Re: 4 season tent??Wrong subject title - 07/19/08 12:57 PM


Good sugestion. I think the regular Nallo 3 is what I'd go for. I really like the GT's huge vestibule but don't want the extra weight.

I can see the Nallo's CONTINUOUS pole sleeves are far faster to thread than the Jannu's clips and both have removable flys. I DO like the Jannu's ceiling vent but not enough to give up the Nallo's continuous pole sleeves.

,,,and then there's the cost - sigh... I COULD sell one of my firearms but that's something I've always regretted afterwards. Anyone got $4,500. for a nice Steyr AUG assault rifle and eleven 30 round magazines?

Posted by: wandering_daisy

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/19/08 01:20 PM

"Winter" is relative. I think there is a distinct difference with high altitude, windy and heavy snow -- mountaineering tent you would use on Denali or Everest, or low altitude, wet, heavy snow, such as Oregon or Washington, or mid-altitude, dry, light snow such as Colorado. Also consider the average night temps- around zero? -40F? Do you expect 20mph winds, 60 mph winds, 100 mph winds?

The mountaineering tents are often quite specifically designed for mountaineering applications. For example, if you have to stomp out a platform to set up the tent, or if you plan on setting up on a small ledge, you then do NOT want a tent with a large footprint.

When I did winter mountaineering in Wyoming (many years ago), features I found very useful were: 1) two entrances - a regular front entrance and a tunnel entrance in the back that allows you to shake off snow before entering the tent. 2) attachements to hang a frost liner. 3) bombproof guy-lines 4) zippers that work when frozen, 5) zip out half-moon on bottom of tent to use to set a stove or pee -- I do not think they make these anymore. 6) taught springy set-up so that the numerous times you beat the walls of the tent to sluff off snow the tent does not get saggy. 7) good wind profile so it does not flap noisily all night.

I have not had any experience with the tent you mentioned. Sorry - no help there.
Posted by: johndavid

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/19/08 03:29 PM

I wonder what the maximum wind speed a forest can experience without catastrophic damage.

Obviously, a tent in a dense forest needn't withstand particularly high winds, or if it does, it's likely to get flattened by a tree before it fails.

Perhaps a sustained 25 mph wind on forest floor would constitute a very unusual and somewhat dangerous situation that doesn't relate to tent selection, unless they're making steel tents these days.

The measured wind speed, as reported or forecast by National Weather Service, might be a higher value, given their siting requirements for anemometers.

This is a way of restating my thesis that most winter backpackers don't need a "winter" tent.

Those that maybe do, often chose to hike another mile to some miserabley windy place above treeline, when they can easily camp lower down for privilage of getting a peaceful night's sleep --- or perhaps getting nailed by a tree in their tarp or in their $800 12-pound (or whatever) expedition tent.
Posted by: wandering_daisy

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/20/08 12:52 PM

The breadth of your experience seems to be a little limited if you have done extensive winter trips and have always had the option of camping in a forest.
Posted by: TomD

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/20/08 01:29 PM

I don't know most winter campers so I have no idea what they need. My winter camping has been in Yosemiite in about the same place on several trips.

One trip it snowed pretty hard, one trip it snowed and rained and another trip, the sky was clear the whole time, day and night.

I suppose I could have gotten along under a tarp on all three trips, but on the rainy trip, I had a three season tent with no vestibule that that just wasn't a good experience. A tarp would probably have been even more miserable.

However, on the snowy trip, one of the people I was with had a tarp of some sort and he seemed to get along fine. On that trip, Jim Shaw and I were in his TNF Mountain tent and that worked for me because I was sick most of the time and in no mood to be out in the weather.

To me, shelter choices come down to comfort and safety. Everything else is a function of those two points. I drag (literally, on my sled) a big five pole, two vestibule double skin freestanding winter tent for just me because I like comfort and I like safety. Could I get along with less? Probably, but I don't have to and don't want to.
Posted by: johndavid

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/20/08 01:52 PM

Tom: Try one of those larger pyramid tarps and you'll have the comfort of dumping a lot of weight. They are perfectly safe and quite spacious and weatherproof.

IMO they are at their functional best in snow, given ability to easily bank edges, lack of insect concerns, and the potential for digging out floor for more headroom (which I've never done). Nothing like a lack of floor on deep subfreezing snow, when it's time to empty the pee bottle.

Lots of winter outdoor recreation programs use them. Canadian Alpine Club comes to mind and there are others.

They definitely aren't as warm as a completely double-walled tent, but the difference isn't huge.

No I've never camped above treeline in the winter and am unlikely to have a winter objective that would make this desirable. I've camped around treeline in winter less than a dozen times, all in Cascades.

The majority of my winter camping has been in areas of New York and New England which don't support a treeline.
Posted by: FrolickingDino

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/20/08 04:18 PM

It has been decades since I did much winter camping. When I did, I used a small pup tent (nearly a bivy) made of a breathable, closely woven fabric (polyester I think) with a tarp rigged as a Trapazoid above the tent - warm, plenty of dry space for gear & cooking - and He-Dino could water the forest without getting out of the tarp (She-Dino cursed about this frequently <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> ). Never had any condensation issues.
Posted by: altadude

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/21/08 05:36 AM

No one has mentioned Stephenson's Warmlite Tents.

I have no experience with them but people in various forums rave about their durability and being relatively lightweight.............

Just a FYI.........
Posted by: TomD

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/21/08 12:03 PM

From comments I have read, people either love or hate Stephenson tents. I've never seen one either, but have seen their catalog for years.

Stephenson's (the dad) attitude that "if you don't love my tents, you're a moron" doesn't help change people's minds either. They also make a lot of VBL clothing.

As far as a pyramid goes, I know a lot of people love them and they are lighter than many winter tents. Just haven't tried one yet.
Posted by: bmisf

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/21/08 10:34 PM

Hi Eric -

I have a Jannu and a Saivo and love them both (pics follow). The Saivo is rated for 3 but is a great 2-person winter tent with vestibules at each end large enough to hold a pulk or multiple packs. The Jannu is rated for 2 but is a tight squeeze with winter gear - but a great 1-person winter tent. First picture is the Jannu at Lone Star Geyser in Yellowstone, where we had temperatures far below zero, but no big storm:

And next is the Saivo at Lassen Volcanic National Park, after some snow and wind:

I also have a Bibler Tempest I picked up for super-cheap at an REI scratch and dent sale. I had an issue with poles bending in it in an extreme storm near Carson Pass (I believe they got bent while I was setting it up - when the tent is at its weakest - and it was at night with super-strong winds). Once it was fully staked out, it survived 80+ mph winds even with the bends. This picture is from the next day:

I'd recommend any of these, but give the edge to the Hillebergs. I find them much easier to set up in bad weather, more flexible for venting, they have more useful vestibules than the Tempest, and the Jannu is slightly lighter for comparable space. Downside is a bit more condensation when they're all sealed up.

Despite what Jim says about setting up his Bibler in a storm (his is smaller, and he's come up with a technique where he stands up and pulls it over his head like a bag to start putting the poles inside), I find the Hillebergs are dramatically easier in bad weather. Unlike most double-wall tents, both parts are connected and the poles go on the outside. It pitches all at once, which keeps the inside dry and clean (unlike the Biblers), and protects the inner tent.

Ping me if you want more detail on any of these.

- Steve

PS - I was the tarptent camper on the trip Tom mentioned - in those conditions of light snow and low winds it was fine, but I wouldn't want to be in a real winter storm in a tarptent, ever.
Posted by: TomD

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/23/08 12:27 AM

Steve, glad you chimed in here. You're the only person I know with a Hilleberg. I didn't realize you had gotten the Jannu too. Is the Saivo the one you had when you all got blasted in that big storm?

I mentioned this before, a while back but since you brought up tarps, thought I'd mention it again. I saw a tv show called Christmas in Yellowstone that featured a photographer ski camping and taking pictures. He was under a tarp in pretty heavy snow and wind one night. He obviously had a camera crew shooting him, but he was tarping it as if he was alone. He had a WM bag of some sort, I could see the label in the close up. Didn't look like fun.
Posted by: CWF

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/23/08 07:27 AM

Outstanding pictures of the Hillebergs. Wow.

So what you are saying is that an A-framed tarp in these conditions might be a little too little. Should I add a bivy? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Posted by: bmisf

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/23/08 09:18 PM

Outstanding pictures of the Hillebergs. Wow.

So what you are saying is that an A-framed tarp in these conditions might be a little too little. Should I add a bivy? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Yes. And some prayer beads.

Tom - the worst conditions I've been in were with the Tempest, and with a Big Sky 2P tent. The latter let in lots of snow as spindrift and was ultimately flattened by over 18" of snow and winds we later heard were reported to be as high as 100mph on ridgetops. I lived to tell the tale, but that tent's not going out on any winter trips with the remotest chance of a storm ever again :-) (For the record, the forecast that weekend was for an inch or two of snow and mild, sunny weather.)

I've been in gale-force winds with the Hillebergs and they've been great - haven't been dumped on with more than half a foot of snow so far in them, though - but they should handle it well given their dome structure and multiple crossing points on the poles.
Posted by: Jimshaw

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/23/08 09:30 PM

You might also add a snow stake to tie your sleeping bag to. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> I've been in an exposed spot with 50 knot winds and it got under the tent and rolled me around in my sleeping bag! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

The problem is that if the plastic "flaps" it will rip and a flat piece of plastic is gonna flap in a strong wind. Having your tent disintegrate around you is a bad thing. I know a guy who camped in maybe 150 mph winds in Iceland. He staked the tent down but could only crawl into it without poles. He had his radio next to his body in case his sleeping bag was ripped away. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

So it all depends on the wind. One thing I like about my Bibler is that I can get in and out of it in a windy snow storm and keep it dry inside, as long as the vestibule is attached. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
Jim <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
oh and it is often tied out to buried branches stomped into the snow. Or nailed down with skis.
Posted by: TomD

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/23/08 10:35 PM

Steve, was that the storm you had the pictures of a while back? I think you were up in the Sierra somewhere north of Yosemite if I remember the trip report right.

I think the worst weather I have been in camping was just some heavy rain in New Zealand. One time the camp manager took pity on me and my girlfriend and let us use one of the little cabins he had. My old Flashlight (new at the time) held up remarkably well another time. Some of the other campers weren't quite so lucky. It definitely pays to have a good tent in bad weather.

Down in NZ, most of the popular tracks have huts on them about a day apart just for that reason. There are mountain huts scattered around as well, some a bit fancier than others, but in a bad storm, nothing like a big wooden box between you and the outside world.
Posted by: johndavid

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/24/08 09:11 AM

It's safe to say that NO tent will withstand a 100 mph wind, let alone 150. Consider that most mobile homes are completely destroyed (not just overturned) by a 130 mph wind.

The odd thing about wind, totally mysterious to me, is that its force increases at a much faster rate than its speed.

Maybe somebody can help me out with specifics, but a 100 mph wind, say, is many times (eight times?) more forceful (and potentially destructive) than a 50 mph wind.

I've seen a few reports that tent X wasn't destroyed when exposed to 100mph in a wind tunnel, but that's not the same thing as providing shelter.

Now turning to tent suggestions, Mountain Hardwear, no slouch for sturdy tents, recently brought back "snow flaps" with its "Kiva" model, but I'm confused whether current version has them

Here is MH's description:

"It weighs 3 pounds and is 66.4 square feet.Kiva is an extremely simple, four-person winter mountaineering shelter supported by a single Easton 7075 T9 center pole. Using webbing and an adjustable center pole, Kiva’s five sided canopy is simple to pitch and provides excellent wind shedding. Floorless design allows for digging out in winter."

Essentially, it's a slightly larger version of a GoLite SL 3 tarp tent.
Posted by: Berserker

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/24/08 10:05 AM

I'll go ahead and plug the Hillebergs too. I have an Akto, and have had it out in some SE wintry conditions. I'm not trying to plug the Akto per se, but rather to just agree with some of the general comments that bmisf made about the Hillebergs.

In my experience they can take a pretty good pounding. I spent one night out in some real blustery conditions. It started off as heavy rain, and turned to snow during the night. Setting up was really nice cause as bmsif said the inner and outer portions of the tent are connected so they all go up in one piece. My buddy struggled with a Hubba Hubba, and I had to help him drain out a small pool of water once he finally got the rain fly on. At any rate, it got pretty windy that night (40+ mph gusts I think) and we were in an exposed area on a bald. I didn't even have all my guy lines staked out (the two side ones weren't staked), and the tent barely flapped in the gusts.

I have been out a handful of other times in snow, and it has been a good winter tent for me. Like I said, I am plugging the Hillebergs in general as the Akto wouldn't be the best choice for the conditions in bmsif's pictures. In heavy wet snow it tends to sag unless the snow is removed as it only has one pole which creates some flat spots on either end of the tent.
Posted by: magnumopus

Re: 4 season tent?? - 07/24/08 10:24 AM

"The odd thing about wind, totally mysterious to me, is that its force increases at a much faster rate than its speed.

Maybe somebody can help me out with specifics, but a 100 mph wind, say, is many times (eight times?) more forceful (and potentially destructive) than a 50 mph wind. "

Thats because as soon as wind hits turbulent flow around your tent drag goes up as a square of the velocity (which means if 50 mph is turbulent, 100mph creates 4x drag)

Posted by: chimpac

Re: 4 season tent??or center pole chimney and tarp - 04/16/09 05:06 PM

Any tent without a chimney is only good for one season. When it rains or snows in the summer time no tent is any good without a chimney. A little 16 ounce device makes backcountry travel so much better. With a coffee can woodstove and chimney
all you need is a tarp for shade in summer or nailed down tight in the cold wind.
Posted by: Franco

Re: 4 season tent??or center pole chimney and tarp - 04/16/09 07:09 PM

"Any tent without a chimney is only good for one season. When it rains or snows in the summer time no tent is any good without a chimney."

That is the most "controversial" line I have seen for some time, and I do read a lot of posts.

Since you are into the hunting/fishing scene I do realise that you are not trolling, however this is backpacking, different stuff.
I changed to "controversial" to be nice about it...
Posted by: chimpac

Re: 4 season tent??or center pole chimney and tarp - 04/16/09 08:44 PM

I admit that a chimney is heresy for the conventional backpacker but civilized people all over the world use them. Most people do not like to breathe the products of combustion or freeze while they cook. Cooking in a tent with a gas stove is dangerous and cooking out side in the wind with your mitts on is not to bright in my humble opinion.
Posted by: Franco

Re: 4 season tent??or center pole chimney and tarp - 04/16/09 11:30 PM

Yes , that is why I don't post at Kifaru telling those guys that 999 out of 1000 backpackers don't have a chimney on their tent.
If I were doing that kind of stuff, I would use a stove too...
Posted by: 300winmag

Re: 4 season tent??(FOUND!) - 04/17/09 02:39 PM

Since this post was made before I knew of the TarpTent Scarpa series I thank all for contributing answers to my question.

But now, having seen the Scarpa series, I think a Scarpa2 (2-person) tent is the best answer for all around winter camping. I need a 2-person tent because I usually don't camp in winter without another person, for safety reasons.

What really convinced me was, 1st, Franco's clever adaptation of putting the crossing poles INSIDE the fly for more wind/snow load support and stability. Franco's experimentation and collaboration with Henry Shires made this possible.

2nd is the optional mesh inner tent for summer use. With this option I have a very stable, light and versatile tent for a true 4 seasons setup.

If this tent is as good for its purpose as my Contrail I know I'll be a "Happy Camper".

Posted by: sabre11004

Re: 4 season tent?? - 04/17/09 04:14 PM

I would love to hike with mistabrown because he seems to like carrying every thing himself.Man I could rest whilst walking. What a trek that would be...sabre11004... thanks
Posted by: sabre11004

Re: 4 season tent?? - 04/17/09 04:27 PM

I have the MSR Hubba Hubba, however with a little different fly set-up that it came with. I bought a huge piece of silnylon and my wife (the darling that she is) fabricated me a full coverage fly that covers all the way down to the tent pegs(to the ground), so in effect is a two walled tent. It is a little heavier than the Hubba Hubba comes but as light as the thing is, a little more weight shouldn't hurt much and believe me after put together it's a brick in the wall.It leaves a little space between the actual tent and the fly and I think that in really cold temps it does keep a little warmer that regular.. We hike in some pretty cold weather and my wife always likes to experience her handy work too. I am sure that there are winds that could up-root it but so far , it has worked like a charm....sabre11004 awesome awesome awesome