earthling your suggestion that i am a rambo type is just wrong the area that i live in does not ever require a knife for firestarting this post was about a survival knife and my survival knife can be used as many things one of them being a back up for my large size bear spray. for this you need a knife with certain attributes that is all i was trying to say . there isn't many people here that leave home without survival kit bear spray sturdy knife and usually a12 guage loaded with 1.25 oz slugs that is not rambo but my reality