Well, went out and did a 4 mile hike in Mohican State Park yesterday and don't think I can wear the Timberland Euro hikers anymore. My other Timberlands were some of the most comfortable boots I've ever owned but these are just an awkward pair of boots. Just so happened that there was a used pair of Alico Summit boots for sale on ebay in my size. They are on their way and should be here by Thursday. Thanks for the suggestion Va3pinner. I'm going to give them a shot.