This isn't a pitch for this company, but used as an example...mountain gear is a company that does the full gambit of outdoors stuff, but especially climbing. If you want an approach shoe, I like asolo, and vasque, but even climbing shoe manuf.s now make good approach shoes like 5.10. Rei would work, altrec, etc, but I get the mountain gear cat's and I always see the approach shoes you are talking about. I also think I have seen the chameleons too. I would look for the extra rubber on the top part of the toes.