Yes, Hiking In Cal that's one of his books my father in law has. I checked out the topo of Carr Lake, there is a road that gets very close to the lake. Hopefully this Tuesday at the meeting I can ask and get a better idea of the trail. Why is it that some guys have a hard time being honest about a trail? Kind of like fisherman who lie about the one that got away? You know the difference between hunters and fisherman? A hunter lies and waits, and fisherman waits and lies.