Amazon.com
Backpacking Forums
BackcountryGear.com
backcountry gear

---- Our Gear Store ----
The Lightweight Gear Store
 
 ULTRA-LIGHT 

Ultralight Backpacks
Ultralight Bivy Sacks
Ultralight Shelters
Ultralight Tarps
Ultralight Tents
Ultralight Raingear
Ultralight Stoves & Cookware
Ultralight Down Sleeping Bags
Ultralight Synthetic Sleep Bags
Ultralight Apparel


the Titanium Page
WM Extremelite Sleeping Bags

 CAMPING & HIKING 

Backpacks
Tents
Sleeping Bags
Hydration
Kitchen
Accessories

 CLIMBING 

Ropes & Cordage
Protection & Hardware
Carabiners & Quickdraws
Climbing Packs & Bags
Big Wall
Rescue & Industrial

 MEN'S APPAREL 

Jackets
Shirts
Baselayer
Headwear
Gloves
Accessories

 WOMEN'S APPAREL 

Jackets
Shirts
Baselayer
Headwear
Gloves
Accessories

 FOOTWEAR 

Men's Footwear
Women's Footwear

 CLEARANCE 

Backpacks
Mens Apparel
Womens Apparel
Climbing
Footwear
Accessories

 BRANDS 

Black Diamond
Granite Gear
La Sportiva
Osprey
Smartwool

 WAYS TO SHOP 

Sale
Clearance
Top Brands
All Brands

 Backpacking Equipment 

Shelters
BackPacks
Sleeping Bags
Water Treatment
Kitchen
Hydration
Climbing


 Backcountry Gear Clearance


 WINTER CAMPING 

Shelters
Bivy Bags
Sleeping Bags
Sleeping Pads
Snow Sports
Winter Kitchen

 SNOWSPORTS 

Snowshoes
Avalanche Gear
Skins
Hats, Gloves, & Gaiters
Accessories

Stay Healthy--Eat Well

MARY JANES FARM ORGANIC MEALS

Mary Janes Farm Organic Backcountry Meals

NATURAL HIGH GOURMET MEALS

Natural High

 

Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#98845 - 06/29/08 05:52 PM life of bacon
drembo Offline
member

Registered: 06/27/04
Posts: 69
Loc: Orange, California
Anyone know how long I can expect well-cooked, vacuum sealed bacon to last on the trail?

Top
#98846 - 06/29/08 05:56 PM Re: life of bacon [Re: drembo]
JAK Offline
member

Registered: 03/19/04
Posts: 2569
OK. I know this one. This is a trick question.

... only until your friends find out.

Top
#98847 - 06/29/08 06:29 PM Re: life of bacon [Re: drembo]
bigfoot2 Offline
member

Registered: 09/17/06
Posts: 1432
Loc: Eugene , Oregon
Look in your local grocery store for Oscar Meyer microwave bacon. It's probably in a refrigerated case, but needs no refrigeration as it's in an aseptic container. It's also pre-cooked and should last quite a while. Good luck!

BF <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
_________________________
Hammockers aren't stuck up, they're just above it all.

Top
#98848 - 06/29/08 07:05 PM Re: life of bacon [Re: drembo]
sarbar Offline
member

Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 1453
Loc: WA
Commercial shelf stable bacon should be used up the same day if possible once it is open - in cold weather not so much of an issue, but in hot weather yes.

Do NOT take home cooked. Just asking for bad issues.
_________________________
Freezer Bag Cooking, Trail Cooking, Recipes, Gear and Beyond:
www.trailcooking.com

Top
#98849 - 06/30/08 07:06 AM Re: life of bacon [Re: drembo]
Fiddleback Offline
member

Registered: 06/22/04
Posts: 478
Loc: Northern Rockies
This doesn't address cooked (or vacuum sealed) bacon, but raw bacon instead:

"Randolph B. Marcy's A Handbook for Overland Expeditions was considered by many as THE manual for westward migration. Originally published in 1859, it contained practical advice on everything from route selection and wagon packing to emergency medicine (rattlesnake bites) and dealing with Native Americans. Marcy [1812-1887] was a captain of the U.S. Army. Prior to the Civil War he served in the West, forging new trails and escorting wagon trains. That made him an expert in stores and provisions. In his own words:

"Supplies for a march should be put up in the most secure, compact, and portable shape. Bacon should be packed in strong sacks of a hundred pounds to each; or, in very hot climates, put in boxes and surrounded with bran, which in a great measure prevents the fat from melting away. If pork be used, in order to avoid transporting about forty per cent. Of useless weight, it should be taken out of the barrels and packed like bacon; then so placed in the bottom of the wagons as to keep it cool. The pork, if well cured, will keep several months in this way, but bacon is preferable." http://www.foodtimeline.org/foodpioneer.html

The bacon referenced here could be different from what we now consider bacon to be in the U.S. Certainly, the older use of the term referred to pork in general. But note in the passage that cured pork is also referenced...this indicates to me that the bacon reference could indeed be something similar to today's bacon...especially the line about the fat. Whatever...the bacon of that day undoubtedly had less preservatives than what is used today (but maybe more salt?). FYI, the wagon train trips generally took 120 to 170 days depending on the destination.

Remember, temperature affects the time to spoilage, it doesn't cause spoilage. Heat can speed up spoilage but only because the bacteria or other buggies were already present or the food became contaminated after opening. Hygiene; protecting food from bugs, avoiding cross-contamination, hand washing, etc., allows food to last a very long time.

FB
_________________________
"...inalienable rights...include the right to a clean and healthful environment..." Montana Constitution

Top
#98850 - 06/30/08 12:18 PM Re: life of bacon [Re: Fiddleback]
DTape Offline
member

Registered: 11/23/07
Posts: 654
Loc: Upstate NY
Most of the bacon we buy in stores is not cured nor smoked. A good butcher will have it though. Either of these processes would have been employed in the 19th century as a means of preserving meats (not just bacon). Even preserved meats should be kept cool and dry as is described in Marcy's handbook. But today's bacon, unless you get REAL bacon, ie something that has been cured or smoked (not smoke flavored) I would not attempt it.

Top
#98851 - 06/30/08 01:04 PM Re: life of bacon [Re: drembo]
phat Offline
Moderator

Registered: 06/24/07
Posts: 4107
Loc: Alberta, Canada

I saw the post title and instinctively starting whistling "always look on the bright side of life" <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
_________________________
Any fool can be uncomfortable...
My 3 season gear list
Winter list.
Browse my pictures


Top
#98852 - 06/30/08 01:25 PM Re: life of bacon [Re: phat]
lv2fsh Offline
member

Registered: 04/27/08
Posts: 111
Loc: socal
I thought maybe a book about a cops. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Almost dropped my donut.

Top
#98853 - 06/30/08 04:29 PM Re: life of bacon [Re: DTape]
Fiddleback Offline
member

Registered: 06/22/04
Posts: 478
Loc: Northern Rockies
Back to the OP...if the bacon has been "well cooked" the buggies have been killed. It's up to the backpacker then, to keep new buggies from contaminating the food...as with any food. Well cooked bacon; kept sealed/wrapped, out of the sun, and free of cross contamination, will take a looonnngggg time to spoil.

FB
_________________________
"...inalienable rights...include the right to a clean and healthful environment..." Montana Constitution

Top
#98854 - 06/30/08 04:46 PM Re: life of bacon [Re: drembo]
drembo Offline
member

Registered: 06/27/04
Posts: 69
Loc: Orange, California
Botulism can grow in an anaerobic environment like this. What are the odds of having botulism get in the bag before sealing? I have a clean kitchen, and the bacon is fried, but I'm not sealing in a sterile environment.

Top
#98855 - 06/30/08 05:21 PM Re: life of bacon [Re: drembo]
drembo Offline
member

Registered: 06/27/04
Posts: 69
Loc: Orange, California
I found this on the internet, pretty much describes bacon as a bad place for botulism to grow:
"foods which are high in salt and/or sugar do not support the growth of the bacterium. Food preservatives such as nitrites, sorbic acid, phenolic antioxidants, polyphosphates, and ascorbates as well as lactic acid bacteria inhibit the growth of C. botulinum."

Top
#98856 - 07/07/08 07:49 PM Re: life of bacon [Re: drembo]
ndsol Offline
member

Registered: 04/16/02
Posts: 673
Loc: Houston, Texas
I buy the Hormel fully-cooked bacon and it has kept quite well on the trail for at least five days. I have tried the Oscar Mayer and Jimmy Dean cooked bacon, but prefer Hormel.

Top
#98857 - 07/08/08 04:14 AM Re: life of bacon [Re: drembo]
chaz Offline
member

Registered: 10/22/07
Posts: 1149
Loc: Tennessee
Someone on this site recommended the pre-cooked bacon that comes in bags. You can find it in the isle where they sell salad croutons and bacon bits. I chose a bag of real bacon with picnic bacon. It was way to chunky for my taste. Next time I'll try the pre-cooked slices. I think it will keep for a long time unopened (check the date). Once opened I would use it up in a few days. Although I returned with my opened package after a week and it didn't have a strange odor but I was to affraid to eat it.
_________________________
Enjoy your next trip...

Top
#98858 - 07/08/08 02:49 PM Re: life of bacon [Re: lv2fsh]
Earthling Offline
member

Registered: 02/22/03
Posts: 3228
Loc: USA
Quote:
I thought maybe a book about a cops. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Almost dropped my donut.


See, now THIS is the kind of cop I don't mind getting a ticket from, one with a sense of humor <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Out Virginia way one can buy all manner of bacon in tourist shops packed in various ways. I get mine in butcher paper, then wrapped in muslin. It's smoked and does'nt require refrigeration in the cooler months. But then again, it does'nt last long in the cooler months either <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> 3 lbs <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> is that all ya' ordered <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> why that's a snack fer Phat <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
_________________________
PEPPER SPRAY AIN'T BRAINS IN A CAN!

Top
#98859 - 07/08/08 02:57 PM Re: life of bacon [Re: chaz]
Earthling Offline
member

Registered: 02/22/03
Posts: 3228
Loc: USA
Man, you got cajones as we say out this way......"Although I retruned with my (sic) opened package of bacon, it did'nt smell bad..." Sure lucky Yogi and Boo Boo were off their game that week friend <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> Last thing I want to be dragging around for a week in my pack is opened (closed top)bag of any meat product <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> ...

"no, honestly, you go ahead , I'll lag behind a few miles to admire the wildflowers" <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Ya' got the 'picnic (shoulder) bacon' when ya' wanted the sliced city slicker type, hate when that happens <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
_________________________
PEPPER SPRAY AIN'T BRAINS IN A CAN!

Top
#98860 - 07/13/08 03:30 AM Re: life of bacon [Re: drembo]
robi Offline
member

Registered: 05/29/03
Posts: 312
Loc: budapest, hungary
i like bacon1

Had to say that!

Now, I have not read the thread, jsut the OP.

I live in bacon and all things pork and fatty land.

Bacon, well smoked/cured will be fine raw for at least a week!

I have taken it to the beach with me and spent a week car camping, blazing hot days, etc, andthe bacon was fine at the end of the week for a breakfast fry up.

Gratned carrying all ready cooked saves the greasy mess you with the raw stuff.... so I think the cooked bacon will last a very long time ...

I have eaten cooked bacon, left on my counter top several days later....

robi

edited to add... we hang smoked sides of bacon, well, chunks of it, a whole side will not fit, in our pantry! Currently the temp outside is 38 C... that is in teh 100 F range, bacon been there since round Easter, still tastes fine to me.... granted the temp in the pantry is a cool 30 degrees C.... what's that, like 85 F?



Edited by robi (07/13/08 03:36 AM)

Top
#98861 - 07/15/08 11:13 AM Re: life of bacon [Re: drembo]
bigfoot2 Offline
member

Registered: 09/17/06
Posts: 1432
Loc: Eugene , Oregon
How about this:

http://www.merch-bot.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=716

BF <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
_________________________
Hammockers aren't stuck up, they're just above it all.

Top
#98862 - 07/15/08 11:31 AM Re: life of bacon [Re: bigfoot2]
JAK Offline
member

Registered: 03/19/04
Posts: 2569
I've heard there is more dangerous microbes in kitchens than in bathrooms.
I think maybe Kramer might have been on to something there.

Top
#98863 - 07/30/08 09:04 PM Re: life of bacon [Re: JAK]
rionada Offline
member

Registered: 04/19/02
Posts: 493
Loc: Hervey Bay, QLD Australia
I've had unopened (still sealed in that plastic it comes in) uncooked bacon in my pack for over a week before cooking it up. It was a little melted and, dare I say, slimey when I finally opened and cooked it. But, lets face it - your going to fry it at several hundred degrees before you eat it and its loaded with salt and preservatives. It tasted just fine when I finally cooked it. We even dip pan bread into the bacon grease ([Edited for inappropriate languge, please review forum policies for more information] that's good!) Hey, it was a long trip - we earned it. We nearly always eat every bit of the package the same night we cook, but sometimes we'll save some for breakfast. And sometimes the bacon grease left in the pot is used to fry pan bread or powdered eggs for breakfast (Yes - the pot goes into the food bag and gets hung well away from camp - no problems so far). So, from my experience - bacon lasts a [Edited for inappropriate languge, please review forum policies for more information] (Sorry - "VERY") long time.

rionada


Edited by rionada (08/08/08 03:48 PM)
_________________________
i really don't think that applies to me.

Top
#98864 - 07/30/08 11:35 PM Re: life of bacon [Re: sarbar]
strider2u Offline
member

Registered: 01/11/03
Posts: 92
Loc: Bay Area, CA
Well, I know that this is totally unscientific and your mileage may vary.... BUT I have home cooked bacon and taken on many, many backpacking trips with no ill effects whatsoever. We just toss the precooked bacon in a pan to heat it up a bit and chow down.

Never had any problem yet.

Top
#98865 - 07/31/08 05:54 AM Re: life of bacon [Re: drembo]
SloHiker Offline
member

Registered: 09/13/03
Posts: 46
Loc: NC
Quote:
Anyone know how long I can expect well-cooked, vacuum sealed bacon to last on the trail?


My own personal experience - at least 4 days on numerous occasions.

Top
#98866 - 08/07/08 10:36 PM Re: life of bacon [Re: sarbar]
billk Offline
member

Registered: 08/20/03
Posts: 1196
Loc: Portland, Oregon
Quote:
Do NOT take home cooked. Just asking for bad issues.


Like what? I take cooked bacon and eat it cold, and it lasts at least 4-5 days. Now you're scaring me.

Top
#98867 - 08/08/08 09:00 PM Re: life of bacon [Re: billk]
sarbar Offline
member

Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 1453
Loc: WA
I'll eat most things....but for me meat is just an item I am very careful with. Whether or not it is highly salted/cured.
I won't criticize you for what you are comfortable with. I am just the type who uses up a bag of shelf stable bacon within 24 hours when hiking.
_________________________
Freezer Bag Cooking, Trail Cooking, Recipes, Gear and Beyond:
www.trailcooking.com

Top

Shout Box

Highest Quality Lightweight Down Sleeping Bags
 
Western Mountaineering Sleeping Bags
 
Lite Gear Talk - Featured Topics
Bivvy Sack combo Arrangement
by Jim M
10/18/17 01:58 AM
what is the lightest framed backpack around 40L
by toddfw2003
10/16/17 07:23 PM
a worthy challenger to the msr pocket rocket2
by the-gr8t-waldo
10/16/17 01:28 PM
Backcountry Discussion - Featured Topics
Napa Fires
by balzaccom
10/11/17 07:43 PM
Backpacking the Ouachita Trail thanksgiving
by toddfw2003
10/05/17 11:54 PM
Rockfalll on El Capitan in Yosemite
by balzaccom
09/28/17 09:47 AM
Make Your Own Gear - Featured Topics
alcohol stove comparisons
by Bike_packer
10/03/17 08:56 PM
Can footprint plasticizer harm tent ground-sheet?
by Weston1000
09/10/17 02:24 AM
Featured Photos
Breakneck Ridge, New York
May 2012 Eclipse, Lassen Park
New Years Eve 2011
Trip Report with Photos
Seven Devils, Idaho
Oat Hill Mine Trail 2012
Dark Canyon - Utah
Who's Online
2 registered (), 26 Guests and 0 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
Blackbuzzard, LivelyLiz, Weve, Tones21, Pasquale
12424 Registered Users
Forum Links
Disclaimer
Policies
Site Links
HOME
Backpacking.net
Family Hiking
Lightweight Gear Store
Backpacking Book Store
Lightweight Zone
Hiking Essentials

Outdoor Gear Daily Deals
Outlets, Sales, Bargains

Our long-time Sponsor, BackcountryGear.com - The leading source for ultralite/lightweight outdoor gear:

Backcountry Forum
 
 

Since 1996 - the Original Backcountry Forum
Copyright © The Lightweight Backpacker & BackcountryForum.com