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#94019 - 04/09/08 01:03 PM Base Gear List
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Loc: Spokane & Maple Valley, Wa
Don't know if this should go here or not, but oh well. I have been preparing for a bp seminar that I am going to give. This has forced me to actually get my gear a little more organized and also make a spread sheet for demonstration purposes. So I thought I would share my list and also seek ways to pare it down even more. It is catered to a normal (for me) 2-4 day trip. I know right off the bat if I took a 40f homemade quilt I could drop about 8 oz (226 gram) right there, but I have not made a qulit yet, hopefully I will in the near future. Also if I did not take a camera even more so. But I wanted to keep it real hence why I have included all items like fuel bottle and food bags (empty of course, but state there volume) However the soap, deet etc, are weighed full. And even though I have never used my rain skirt it still comes along, oh sure I could take a light flimsyer trash bag for it but I like the lawn and leaf bag better. Ok enough rambling for now. will add more as the thread goes along. Thanks for looking.
***Sorry about the layout but it does not transfer very well from excell to here <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

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Catagory Item Weight Notes

Backpack
Zilch 1800 ci 122 Custom
Sub Total 122

Shelter
6x9 Cuben Tarp 116 Seam sealed
Ground Cloth 48 Polycryo
Ti Stakes 50 8 Stakes
Guy Line kit 4
Cuben Stuff Sack 4 Small Plus
SubTotal 222

Sleeping
WM HightLIte 512 35F
Cuben Stuff Sack 8 Med Plus
Pad/Pack Frame 270 MB UL.90
Sub Total 790

Cooking
Heiny 350 20 W/Lid
Stove 8
Windscreen 10
Fuel Bottle 20 4.5 oz
Matches 4 Paper Book
Spoon 18 Ti Long Handle
Cuben Food Bag 10 Large
Trash Bag 12 Heavy Duty 1/2 Gal Ziplok
Sub Total 102

Hydraton
Platy Bladder 102 3L W/Hose
Treatment 18 Klear water 10cc
Sub Total 120

Clothing
Wind Shirt 90 Montane Aero
Down Jacket 232 MB U.L. Inner
Combi Hat 34 Turtle Fur
Gloves 30 Poly Pro
Cuben Stuff Sack 6 Med
Sub Total 392

First Aid
First Aid Kit 58 In 4x7 AlokSak
Fire Starter 8 Mini Fire Steel
Tinder Quick 2 3 Tinders
Tooth Brush 16 Burts Bees Mini
Soap 6 3cc
DEET 6 3cc
Sunscreen 26 15cc
Cuben Stuff Sack 2 Small
Sub Total 124

MISC.
TP 16 10 BLU Shop Towls 5x5
Towl 8 Lite Load 11x11
Light 24 Watch Battery Type
Knife 36 Gerber Mini
30 Gal Trash Bag 52 Rain Skirt/Poncho
Info Lanyard 48 Cmpss, Thermo, Wstl
Camera 136 Olympus FE 240
Aloksak 6 For Camera 5x4
I.D. & CC Card 8
Cuben Wallet 1 For ID & CC Card
Sub Total 335

TOTAL 2207 Grams
2.2 Kilo
4.8 lbs


Edited by mugs (04/09/08 03:16 PM)

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#94020 - 04/09/08 01:48 PM Re: Base Gear List [Re: mugs]
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Loc: Eastern Idaho
Hello Mugs,
You stated ďWM HightLIte 512 35FĒ Thatís 18oz. I thought they were advertised at 16oz. And what kind of stove are you using?
Thanx,
-Barry

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#94021 - 04/09/08 02:26 PM Re: Base Gear List [Re: BarryP]
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The WM is advertised as 16oz for a regular I have a long because I am 6.1ft and 200lbs.
The Stove I use is a HPS Stove but modified more so to be t-light specific, In other words I made it even taller which brought my boil time down to about 7-8min for 12 oz of water. I can post a pic of my U.L. cook set if you want.
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#94022 - 04/09/08 03:41 PM Re: Base Gear List [Re: mugs]
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Link it in your profile! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

(sweet list btw - sigh.. cuben fibre tarps make me feel so weighted down with mere silnylon...)
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#94023 - 04/09/08 04:50 PM Re: Base Gear List [Re: mugs]
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Good work mugs.

That is more than collector gear. I would use that kit.

Yep, I have cuben envy.

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#94024 - 04/09/08 11:18 PM Re: Base Gear List [Re: ringtail]
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Quote:


That is more than collector gear. I would use that kit.

Yep, I have cuben envy.


Thanks for the compliments. Oh and trust me, all the gear I have I use. Which is why I don't sell much per se. This kit has been used for about a year now, except the recent transition from syl to cuben which was about 3 months ago or so. I figure any body can in "therory" get a 5 or even 3 pound or less pack weight, but then actually doing it is something all together different. I am somewhat bumed that my back cant tak a foamy any more and I had to go to a air pad, that in of itself took 6 months of research and deliberation. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />


Edited by mugs (04/09/08 11:19 PM)
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#94025 - 04/09/08 11:20 PM Re: Base Gear List [Re: phat]
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How do I do that...Link it to my profile
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#94026 - 04/10/08 05:47 AM Re: Base Gear List [Re: mugs]
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Posts: 1574
Loc: Eastern Idaho
A t-light stove. Cool. Thatís a little cheaper than esbit. From your link ďÖof about a 1/4 oz of fuel.Ē Iím guessing thatís a fl. oz. which is also pretty efficient.

-Barry

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#94027 - 04/10/08 07:51 AM Re: Base Gear List [Re: mugs]
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I Just put mine up on my own web site and put the link in my bio.

You could also probably just paste into your bio.

Problem is there's no actual place for a gear list itself.
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#94028 - 04/10/08 11:10 AM Re: Base Gear List [Re: BarryP]
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With this stove it uses 1/2 oz of fuel (the t-lights capacity) to boil 12 oz of water (which is no more than I boil any way) but for those that need or want to boil 16 oz a re-burn of an additonal 1/4 oz is required. Depending on the situation I have acutlly been able to get 12 oz of water to boil on about 3/8 of an oz.
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#94029 - 04/10/08 11:38 AM Re: Base Gear List [Re: phat]
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Actually mugs, I have a question for ya: You list:

Clothing
Wind Shirt 90 Montane Aero
Down Jacket 232 MB U.L. Inner
Combi Hat 34 Turtle Fur
Gloves 30 Poly Pro
Cuben Stuff Sack 6 Med
Sub Total 392


So you've got on your back, windshirt, jacket, hat, and gloves. I guess I'm wondering what
you're wearing on your back as you start out, and what your strategy is for dealing with varying
weather on the trail (everything from scorchers to rain and cold in the same day). My weight does
get heavily influenced by what I carry for clothing, and I've kind of gotten down to this over the years
for a typical trip in the canadian rockies

In pack:

MEC Dervish Windshirt, liberally NikWaxed
MEC Northern Lite pullover, also NikWaxed.
MEC merino wool long sleeve top or 100 weight fleece
Costco merino wool long sleeve top
MEC medium weight synthetic long underwear bottom
1 pair MEC seamless poly underwear
1 pair WigWam Merino lite hiker socks
1 pair WigWam liner socks
Coghlans cheap skeeter headnet (goes over hat)
Fleece Toque
Ragg wool gloves

Wearing/Carrying:
Brim hat.
Wigwam Merino lite hiking socks
Wigwam liners
Raichle Kootenay IV Boots or Montrail Hardrocks, depending on terrain
Old Navy poly running tshirt.
MEC seamless poly underwear.
Sportif Convertible Shorts/pants

So on a typical (hot) day, I'll pull off the legs on the pants, stick them in the pack and hike
in my shorts.

If weather then goes south, while hiking (in driving rain/cold/sleet) I've usually got the pant bottoms on,
and then usually the 100wt fleece, and the windshirt - if it's really bad the silponcho goes over me and my pack. I accept the fact that at least for me, I'm probably going to get somewhat moist from sweat and wet on the edges from really nasty weather.

Once I'm rigged up when stopped with a tarp up, at night I'll change into long johns, a dry wool top, and put on the northern lite - particularly if it dips down close to freezing. I'll change socks to sleep
in. I then usually sleep in long johns and the merino, maybe the northern lite, and toque. Morning
I change back into the hiking gear and original socks and hike.

So, What's your clothing strategy for keeping your clothing list that minimal? What are you wearing
during the day, what are you chaging out with weather, etc?
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#94030 - 04/10/08 02:21 PM Re: Base Gear List [Re: phat]
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That is a very good question.
First yes all of my clothing listed is in my pack to start.
Clothing
Wind Shirt 90 Montane Aero
Down Jacket 232 MB U.L. Inner
Combi Hat 34 Turtle Fur
Gloves 30 Poly Pro
Cuben Stuff Sack 6 Med
Sub Total 392

What I have on is: REI Sierra convertible pants, Mountain Hardwear Canyon lands coverable shirt, Columbia mesh boonies hat, Pearl Izumi cycling socks, and New Balance 471 running shoes.
Now letís give a hypothetical situation of stopping in the evening after day one. As things cool down the first thing I do is put back on the legs to my pants and drop the sleeves back down on my arms, next comes out the wind shirt, and turtle fur hat (which I love because it can be a hat, neck warmer, face mask, baklava or anything in between).Then if the temps drop more the wind shirt comes off and the down jacket goes on and the wind shirt over that. The gloves actually are not necessarily for warmth (though they do provide some) but for handling my hot pot and food container. I can take that system down to about 1-4 C (35-40 F) If things get colder than that I dive into my sleeping bag.
Morning time: Usually starts out with turtle fur, and wind shirt. As I heat up they come off and get stowed in the pack. The boony hat may or may not go on depending, then of course leggings come off, and sleeves get buttoned up.
Now here comes rain, on goes the wind shirt and boony hat, the wind shirt odes not provide protection from a down poor, but I don't mind getting wet, I am a hot hiker so I can stay warm as long as I am moving. My legsí getting soaked does not bother me either. All of my clothing is very fast drying even if it is not sunny out. In the event of a deluge I put on the trash bag (though I have never done this, it is for the just in case, but I have not ever been driven to do so)
In camp and under my tarp off comes the wet clothing, and I would put on the down jacket or actually wear the wind shirt alone because it will dry just with my body heat in about 15 minutes, and about an hour for my shirt and pants. But letís say I am just soaked and shivering. I would strip down, put on my jacket and climb in to my bag. Rig up my clothes line in my tarp and hang my "cloths out to dry" and just do everything from inside my bag. I have actually had to do this treatise before when I got flooded out (literally) of the trail I was on. It rained about 10 inches that night and day, and this was the only way I get anything dry.
I hope this provides some insight into my methodology or madness which ever it may be.
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#94031 - 04/10/08 03:54 PM Re: Base Gear List [Re: mugs]
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Actually sounds like we're not too far off in technique, definately my hike in it clothing is about
as quick dry as yours, The main difference seeming to be I'm keeping a set of extra sleeping socks,
and set of long johns and merino as "dry wear". I too hike warm, and don't mind getting wet but
want at least the fleece or 2nd merino layer to hike in while wet to stay warm (if wet) while out
moving around - at least in the weather I deal with.


I haven't yet quite gotten brave enough to forgoe the long john layer and count on drying quick dry
stuff at night out before sleeping.
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#94032 - 04/10/08 04:13 PM Re: Base Gear List [Re: phat]
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phat,

I am where you are and I tell myself it is because it feels so good to put on the dry long underwear. I trust mugs experience, but......
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#94033 - 04/11/08 08:18 AM Re: Base Gear List [Re: ringtail]
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Well, probably the other reason for that is I depend on clothing as part of my sleeping system - since as a fat guy it's pretty much impossible to get a high quality sleeping bag that fits correctly, so I'm usually using stuff quilt style and/or depending on the clothing to add warmth - hence my love for my
northern like/fleece worn at night with longjohns, socks and a toque to extend the range of my exped wallcreeper down into sub-freezing.

I'd love to make a proper lightweight quilt that actually fits me, but the thought of taking out bags of down and stuffing it in the house is terrifying - not just because of the mess I will make but the reaction
of my better half to the mess I will make <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I may yet attempt it with polarguard or primaloft.
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#94034 - 04/11/08 09:31 AM Re: Base Gear List [Re: phat]
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I really enjoy taking a pot of warm water, a bandana and washing up then changing into my longjohns. I will give mugs system a try on an overnighter, but I bet I go back to carrying sleep clothes.

I am a bit "stocky" myself. I highly recommend the ARC Alpinist by Nunatak.
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#94035 - 04/11/08 10:28 AM Phat food Clothing [Re: ringtail]
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Well, probably the other reason for that is I depend on clothing...toque to extend the range of my exped wallcreeper down into sub-freezing.


Very good point. With this clothing kit, I as well wear it in conjunction to when it gets below freezing inside my bag. But I must also make the point of this whole kit is for the 3 season use. When it is early spring and winter a lot changes in the clothing department, and a lot more goes in. MEC -3 C (27 F) Merlin bag (in place of the WM), down pants and booties, winter gloves, MB Down Parka, gaiters, and away goes the tarp and out comes the tent etc etc, but still I keep my weight down the best I can. Also switching from fleece to down will really lighten up your loads.

****Also note that this works for me, and I am not trying to "convert" anybody to try it. Like I always tell everyone. You can have all the light weight gear in the world and still die, because you don't know how to use it. I hope however that it can be a reference point for some to go off of and experiment around with.****

****Also I would suggest trying things via a car camping trip first, or in the back yard. Take along that extra gear you like so well. In other words go car camping with your bp gear, that way if things head south then you have a refuge back up. But by all means play around and experiment. The point is get out there whether it is with 5 or 50 lbs just do it*****
Which I am sure I am preaching to the choir on with that one, other wise we would not be having this discussion <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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#94036 - 04/11/08 10:54 AM Re: Phat food Clothing [Re: mugs]
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Quote:
Quote:

Well, probably the other reason for that is I depend on clothing...toque to extend the range of my exped wallcreeper down into sub-freezing.


Very good point. With this clothing kit, I as well wear it in conjunction to when it gets below freezing inside my bag. But I must also make the point of this whole kit is for the 3 season use. When it is early spring and winter a lot changes in the clothing department, and a lot more goes in. MEC -3 C (27 F) Merlin bag (in place of the WM), down pants and booties, winter gloves, MB Down Parka, gaiters, and away goes the tarp and out comes the tent etc etc, but still I keep my weight down the best I can. Also switching from fleece to down will really lighten up your loads.


Agree completely on the switching from fleece. I actually show my "typical" list as well. I actually
take primaloft or down in warmer conditions, or if I am on the ground. However, the one thing fleece
has all over down or pimaloft is it is a zillion times better when compressed - so if I'm hammocking
in cold weather, I often will still bring fleece. My other reason to love a hundredweight fleece it I'm convinced it makes great raingear - I get wet but stay warm. Ya can't do that with down. However
I'm always pretty conscious that when I take fleece I'm taking weight I could reduce with a primaloft
or down piece in the right conditions.

And note for any other readers, the reason I even *asked* the question in the first place was not to convert myself, or you, or anyone else - I wanted to know his "system" and how I may use his system to potentially adapt mine to lighter weights in certain conditions <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Personally, I never "convert" - I adapt <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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