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#86956 - 01/14/08 01:44 PM Re: Questions for OR Show (off topic) [Re: leadfoot]
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Leadfoot, I think there are two issues here. Keith was, I believe, thinking of waving the Pen around outside the Platy to zap the water inside, because the Pen won't fit in most Platy's. That won't work.

About your question.... There are three things that you need to watch out for with the Pen and flexible/foldable containers.
1) The plastic blocks UV, so don't bend the container.
2) The Pen radiates light out from the sides of the bulb and not so much the BOTTOM of the bulb. I was told that it's nearly impossible to guarantee exposure of all the water to UV, in an enormous container like a 2 liter platypus. The Pen only sticks down a quarter of the way or so.
3) Most neck openings are simply too small for the Pen.

Sounds like you'll be fine with the liter sized flexible Nalgene. Just don't fold it in half while zapping <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> That container is a good idea, actually, and probably a bit lighter than the polyethylene Nalgene I use now.
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#86957 - 01/14/08 05:59 PM Re: Questions for OR Show (off topic) [Re: Xelif]
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Thanks for the info. I also have the 500 ml one as well. I haven't had a chance to use any of them as yet.

I wish Platy made larger mouthed bladders...although they aren't my favorite brand. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

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#86958 - 01/14/08 09:39 PM Re: Questions for the OR Show... [Re: leadfoot]
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Would it be possible to have some of these hydration bag makers make the opening wide enough to just stick the Adventurer Steripen directly into the bladder? I'm not talking the wide zip Platy but the 1 and 2 liters have the narrow openings and the pen doesn't fit. I have to carry another liter bottle or bladder with a wide opening to treat the water, then pour into the bladder.


That's a problem in the Adventurer design. The original Steripen seals perfectly on the Platypus- so you can inverte and swish.

That being said, I still use a 1L Nalgene Canteen- so I can use the prefilter.

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#86959 - 01/15/08 06:40 AM Re: Questions for the OR Show... [Re: Earthling]
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I was at REI last night and foung the .5L platy. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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#86960 - 01/15/08 11:32 AM Re: Questions for the OR Show... [Re: jasonlivy]
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OO! OO!

"...won't react with alcohol." Just the kind of water bladder I need to ease those lung-busting climbs up endless switchbacks in rarified air.

(Lessee...Jack Daniels would be an amiable hiking companion, as would be his cousin Jim Beam.)

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#86961 - 01/15/08 11:36 AM Re: Questions for the OR Show... [Re: jasonlivy]
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Let me think:
questions for Westcomb:
- why don't they use pitzips anymore in their latest eVENT jackets (I just don't buy it that eVENT is that good that any extra ventilation isn't necessary)
- polartec powershield single face (like in the trailblazer pant): it appears to be the powershield face fabric without membrane and fleece but with hardface treatment. Isn't it than just a stretch woven fabric? Any performance ratings like CFM.

Patagonia:
- what is the H2No used in 3 layer shells: microporeus or hydrophilic? Any performance figures?

Montbell:
- is Breeze Dry Tec indeed PTFE as ben said (not that I want to doubt Ben but a second opinion is always nice). Any info on with who they developed it?

Any info on Ion Mask from P2i (if present or if a brand will start to use it). Capabilities for use in jackets and pants?

New products from Valandre and Western mountaineering?

New developments from Inov-8?

Developments from Hilleberg, paticularly if they are considering changes to the Nallo (making it even lighter).

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#86962 - 01/15/08 11:36 AM Re: Questions for the OR Show... [Re: jasonlivy]
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Jason,

Shame on you MSR guys. Always leading us on with teasers about your imaginary capillary stoves. We all "need" a new stove to add to our treasured collections. Let us have one of these rare creatures. PULEEZE?

(Hmmmm...I'm at seven stoves now. Not nearly enough - not nearly.)

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#86963 - 01/15/08 08:14 PM Re: Questions for the OR Show... [Re: midnightsun03]
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To add to this, how about why they don't make a pot that is the same size and weight as the heine, but with smooth sides?
Maybe a better exercise program will smooth out your hiney?

MNS


<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Now, now, we don't want people walking around with flat heinys <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Not to gild the proverbial lily Jason; but could you find a company to make those pots without mesurements stamped into the sides <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Food just sticks in them and burns on <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> And while you're yakkin' it up with them tell them about 'YOUR' cool idea for pot handles.....

Make the pot handle retainers on the isde so that the handle ends enter upside down, and the handle sprung so when you insert them they spring apart and the tension holds them in, while you are lifting said pot! Removeable pot handles make a cleaner pot to pack, heck the handles could be sized to pack in the pot!

I thought of something else....then promptly forgot what it was <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Sucks to get old eh <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

If I had known I could make you this popular in a few days jason, i would've asked to be your agent and got a commission <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#86964 - 01/15/08 08:16 PM Re: Questions for the OR Show... [Re: StepChld]
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Find someone making decent Hard Anodized Aluminum cookware, and then ask them why they are'nt making it in sizes for Single backpackers like a decent sized 6-800 ml pot, not mug, that I find is easier to pack and uses fuel more efficently <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Rounded corners make cleaning easier IME. All the sets I see for single hikers have grooves or ridges that make cooking in them a hassle to clean.....GSI Double boiler comes to mind...
Well my Open Country Hard Anodized Aluminium set that I got for Xmas came with one 2 qt. pot and one 3 cup pot (about 700 mls.). Both are smooth sided. If that's what you're looking for? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Good lead! I'll hop on my mule and head up to Campmor...don't wait up fer' my answer <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
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#86965 - 01/15/08 08:20 PM Re: Questions for the OR Show... [Re: OregonMouse]
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Thank you for your offer, Jason! Here's something you can ask all of them:

Why, why don't the gear and clothing manufacturers realize that many of us women don't want bright colors because we want to be inconspicuous out in the wilderness, for security reasons as well as for consideration of others? I'm not the only woman out there who passionately hates pink and purple! We don't want black, either--shows the dirt (and in my case, dog hair) too much. How about some nice subdued grays, tans, blue-grays and gray-greens? If men can have these colors in their clothing and gear, why not women?


To add complaints I've heard among the clothing racks in campmor, EMS, et al...Why do they not make clothes to fit women over 45 <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> All I hear is "who are the skinny twits making these clothes that we can't fit into?" <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
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#86966 - 01/15/08 08:28 PM Re: Questions for the OR Show... [Re: jasonlivy]
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Me first! I want to know why Platypus stopped making our much beloved .5L Platy Ask, cajole, beg, strong arm'em whatever you have to do Jason to get them to make them again
This one's easy, we are! I checked our most recent pricelist and it is listed as a 'new' product. In fact, I think you will be pleased that not only are making this bottle again, but it is in a brand new material. This new material doesn't crackle, is much more durable, is totally taste free (similar to the old stuff) and won't react with alcohol. The bottles are also in a cool new shape that is easier to grip and represents a whole new product line. The price hasn't increased either.
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Find someone making decent Hard Anodized Aluminum cookware, and then ask them why they are'nt making it in sizes for Single backpackers like a decent sized 6-800 ml pot, not mug, that I find is easier to pack and uses fuel more efficently Rounded corners make cleaning easier IME. All the sets I see for single hikers have grooves or ridges that make cooking in them a hassle to clean.....GSI Double boiler comes to mind...
I know that we are completely re-working our cookware for the summer show (August). Until then, there won't be any new changes in our cookware. I know they've done a ton of surveying and I've been told that many have asked for a 1L pot. I'm excited to see what it will be and will let you know in June when I see it. Unfortunately, this new cookware won't be available until next January. Hopefully it will be worth the wait. They've been talking about this for awhile.

I will still ask the guys at the show to get more details. If I find out anything new, I'll let you know.


Dang! Jason you are the Real Deal! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> I must have missed them on my last Campmor excursion <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> but there is just so much stuff <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> and so little time to peruse before they close and tell me to go home <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> Now....Psst!....Where can i fondle those new Platys?....I won't tell anyone.....Dang, thais was'nt a PM <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

I guess Antigravity gear was selling too many grease pots eh? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> What a free market economy we have! You Canadians listenin' <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Well ya made Phat and me happy...and, well, it's his Birthday ya' know..and nothing makes a Birthday boy happier than getting what he wants <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#86967 - 01/15/08 08:36 PM Re: Questions for the OR Show... [Re: jasonlivy]
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Why don't they increase the height of the Titan kettle enough to give it a full liter capacity and the ability to EASILY store the Pocket Rocket inside?
One reason (as I have asked them about this before) is that they brought out the PocketRocket/Titan Kettle Kit after the Jetboil showed they had a all-in-one stove solution. We believe that we already had one currently, but realized it wasn't being marketed properly. When we first introduced both products, we didn't originally intend them to mate together. However, we found that if packed right, they can be used as an all-in-one. However, they don't fit very well. I think what you will see this coming year is a revision in the Titan Kettle that will allow the Pocket Rocket to fit much better. I'll ask Redwood and Drew (two guys in charge of stoves for MSR) what's in the works. I might have to slip them twenty bucks <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />.
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Why do they insist on using blaze-orange rainflies on their Fast-and-Light line of shelters? Couldn't they at least offer tan as an option?
This was brought up in our sales meeting and the explanation was that they offer great ambient light in the interior. For next year, we are bringing to market the new Hubba HP and Hubba Hubba HP that include a bright yellow fly. I know that many of the reps weren't pleased with the color but after getting into the tent saw the reasoning behind it (great ambient light). The other reason, we were told, is that they are easier to find when the weather turns bad. Our new Venture line is more of a light tan and not so bright. I will ask Terry (our tent guy who used to be the head engineer for Moss Tents) for more specifics.


I'm in for $10 <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Jason, how's about sitting yer tent guys down and have them read pages 18 -27 in the book, 'Woodcraft & Camping' Nessmuk.....and then have them make up a copy of this 'shanty tent' for those of us non sewers who understand the principles behind a one man tent <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Often times tents are too long, too narrow, too heavy, too wide..why not 'just right' for solo?
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#86968 - 01/15/08 08:39 PM Re: Questions for the OR Show... [Re: OregonMouse]
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Thanks, Jason! "Visual pollution" is the term I wanted to use, but I had a "senior moment" while writing my prior post. It applies not just to women's wear and gear (although we women have an additional reason to want to be inconspicuous) but to those bright orange and bright yellow tents, too! They may look pretty from inside, but they look horrible dotted about the landscape! I like my gray silnylon tent; it's plenty light enough inside and blends into the landscape from outside.

Earthling, I found the .5L Platypus currently available at both Campmor and the platypushydration.com websites. It seems to no longer be called the "Li'l Nipper," but it looks like the same bottle with the push/pull cap as the one I have, which I bought in 2000.


Bless yer heart there Oregon Mouse <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> I'd been loking fer a lil nip since the Holidays was over <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> guess I did'nt hit the eggnog as hard as i wanted to this season <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
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#86969 - 01/15/08 08:45 PM Re: Questions for OR Show (off topic) [Re: leadfoot]
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Thanks for the info. I also have the 500 ml one as well. I haven't had a chance to use any of them as yet.

I wish Platy made larger mouthed bladders...although they aren't my favorite brand. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />


Now, what can we do today to put you into this shiny new Platy? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Come on now, you can tell US we're only here to help you <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I have a 2L Water Tank Platy right next to me and it has the zip top opening which isn't my favorite type opening since I had one not fully seal before in my pack <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> But it allows a rapid fill for carrying water back to camp....which is why they call it the Water Tank I guess huh <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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#86970 - 01/16/08 02:57 AM Re: Questions for OR Show (off topic) [Re: Earthling]
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Earthling..... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Well, for starters, I don't like having such a small opening for a bladder that I suck on all day. It is a PITA to fill.

The Zips don't allow you to connect a drinking hose to it. My understanding is that they are just canteens. I know I'll be corrected if I'm wrong.

I've had Platy's burst apart. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Difficult to dry. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Caps are easy to lose

I have a Camelback which I love and also a Nalgene bladder that I love even more. It has snap-on connectors for the hose to the bladder, very light-weight and wide opening.

otherwise.....I guess Platy's are fine. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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#86971 - 01/16/08 06:30 AM Re: Questions for the OR Show... [Re: midnightsun03]
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It'll have to be a huge undertaking to smooth out this heine. But, at least once it is smooth, it will be MUCH easier to clean. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#86972 - 01/16/08 06:44 AM Re: Questions for the OR Show... [Re: 300winmag]
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Well that brought a knowing smile to my face this morning <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I guess I'm at 5, unless you count the box of homemade alky stoves.. If I'm forced to count those I suppose I might have to start making weekly trips to Stoves Anonymous meetings..
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#86973 - 01/16/08 02:02 PM Re: Questions for the OR Show... [Re: Woubeir]
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- polartec powershield single face (like in the trailblazer pant): it appears to be the powershield face fabric without membrane and fleece but with hardface treatment. Isn't it than just a stretch woven fabric? Any performance ratings like CFM.

Patagonia:
- what is the H2No used in 3 layer shells: microporeus or hydrophilic? Any performance figures?

Montbell:
- is Breeze Dry Tec indeed PTFE as ben said (not that I want to doubt Ben but a second opinion is always nice). Any info on with who they developed it?

New products from Valandre and Western mountaineering?


i have to meet with malden mills, so i'll ask them about the powershield question. The valandre folks probably aren't going to be there at all. If they are, I'll talk to them. I can ask my 'gucci friends about the H2No, but they generally don't share figures.

Jason, stop by and visit when you've got the chance, 5042...

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#86974 - 01/18/08 09:13 PM Re: Questions for OR Show (off topic) [Re: leadfoot]
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Earthling..... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Well, for starters, I don't like having such a small opening for a bladder that I suck on all day. It is a PITA to fill.

The Zips don't allow you to connect a drinking hose to it. My understanding is that they are just canteens. I know I'll be corrected if I'm wrong.

I've had Platy's burst apart. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Difficult to dry. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Caps are easy to lose

I have a Camelback which I love and also a Nalgene bladder that I love even more. It has snap-on connectors for the hose to the bladder, very light-weight and wide opening.

otherwise.....I guess Platy's are fine. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


Did 'ya send the burst one back for a free replacement <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Guess not from the tone of yer post eh? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
Kinda hard to drink out of them empty ain't it <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Well, there's yer problem, they's iz gotta have waterin them to give it up <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Ah, THERE'S yer problem, yer suckin' on the bottle all day <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> there's programs for folks like you. Come on, let us help, we're yer friends <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
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#86975 - 01/19/08 11:32 AM Re: Questions for the OR Show... [Re: jasonlivy]
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Hi, Jason:

Not to belabor a point (and I sure don't want to sound unappreciative for you offering us a chance to have input for manufacturers), but regarding ambient light: the designers do realize that most of us are only inside the tent when it's dark out, don't they? "Ambient light" has never been an issue for me, particularly when I'm asleep.

Thanks again - your patience is much appreciated. And please realize that we're not complaining about the quality of MSR gear - we're just offering tweaks to already great stuff.

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#86976 - 01/20/08 08:27 AM Re: Questions for the OR Show... [Re: Glenn]
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I agree with Glenn let us point out tweeks we'd like to see with gear. We're not trying to reinvent the wheel here <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Jason, could you get Gardenville/Bill a job as a gear designer for MSR <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> He's our Resident Gear Designer Guru around these parts; and I think his work exceeds what's available out there in the marketplace, and he should be compensated for his endeavors IMO <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
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#86977 - 01/20/08 11:21 AM Re: Questions for the OR Show... [Re: jasonlivy]
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How about talking those MSR guys into providing TWO lightweight stuff sacks...one for the tent and one for the fly ( to keep wet fly from soaking inner tent ). I know that at least i would pay a little extra for that here in the Pacific Northwest !
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#86978 - 01/20/08 02:53 PM Re: Questions for the OR Show... [Re: bigfoot2]
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I'll second that - I always replace the single oversized sack with two smaller ones. Also makes for easier packing: two small items, instead of one bulky item.

Great suggestion.

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#86979 - 01/21/08 05:51 AM Re: Questions for the OR Show... [Re: jasonlivy]
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Jasonlivy:
As you are no doubt aware, MSR fuel bottles canot be sold in Canada. Health Canda has dictated that child resistant caps are to be developed before sales can resume.
What progress has been made to meet this new requirement? When can we expect the changes to reach the consumer?
Thanks.

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#86980 - 01/21/08 09:56 PM Re: Questions for the OR Show... [Re: Rick]
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For 2008, all of the fuel bottles will have a childproof cap (which will also raise the price). I haven't actually seen these, but they should be available as of Jan 2008.
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