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#200145 - 01/30/18 09:53 PM Value in lightening loads - a Defense Pespective
Steadman Offline
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I found this article:

https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/overburdened-infantry-soldier/

in another forum I was reading. Think the audience here would be most interested in the affects of load on cognition and mobility in early portions of the article.

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#200305 - 03/02/18 10:20 PM Re: Value in lightening loads - a Defense Pespective [Re: Steadman]
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This is pretty interesting. Both from the history of observations of the studies and the tendency of the military to keep ignoring them and overloading their troops.

For me personally, I came here to learn how to lighten my load, and did. But I've always gauged my distance according to how I could tote it and never tried to push it too far. That takes the "fun" out of it for me.

The quality of a backpacking trip is not directly related to the number of miles hiked. At least not for me. What I really want to do is get someplace sweet, away from the masses, and chill out for a few days.
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#200306 - 03/03/18 12:05 AM Re: Value in lightening loads - a Defense Pespective [Re: billstephenson]
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My dad was a combat medic in the Pacific in WWII (147th infantry; at Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima, Saipan, and Okinawa - odd that an Army unit was the only US unit to fight in all 4 “Marine” operations.)

Anyhow, somewhere I have an old Army pamphlet published after Guadalcanal that took his unit’s experience on jungle fighting and passed it on to other newly arriving units. In it, there is a section on “what to carry” that sounds oddly like it was written by a backpacker. For eating and drinking, it told soldiers to forget about the mess kit and full set of utensils, and told them to take their canteen, canteen cup (which could also be used as a pot), and a spoon. It told them they wouldn’t need all the clothing the standard manuals said - but advised two or three changes of socks. There were some other tips, but I can’t remember them now, and can’t find the pamphlet (I think my son has it.)

Looking back to the Civil War, the infantry soldier soon learned he didn’t need the entire official kit the Army regulations called for - including the pack. Instead, they laid down the shelter half, laid a folded blanket on top of it, put a small pot or fry pan, fork and/or spoon, metal cup, change of clothing, socks, etc. along the edge of the blanket, then rolled everything up and slung the blanket roll across one shoulder; a cartridge box went across the other.

My guess is the ordinary infantryman has, for ages, looked at the manual and then done what makes common sense.


Edited by Glenn Roberts (03/03/18 07:24 AM)
Edit Reason: Eliminate “ultralight” reference

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#200307 - 03/03/18 01:24 AM Re: Value in lightening loads - a Defense Pespective [Re: Glenn Roberts]
aimless Online   content
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there is a section on “what to carry” that sounds oddly like it was written by an ultralight packer.

To be fair, the heaviest part of the load a foot soldier carries into a combat zone always consists of weaponry, munitions, and similar tools of the trade. These are difficult-to-impossible to pare down, not to mention dangerous to leave behind. When you need an entrenching tool, you can't use your spoon as a multi-purpose substitute! So even when their kit has been pared to the sparsest minimum, an infantry soldier will never be allowed to pack an ultralight load. frown

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#200311 - 03/03/18 07:23 AM Re: Value in lightening loads - a Defense Pespective [Re: aimless]
Glenn Roberts Offline
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You’re right, of course. I wasn’t trying to suggest that infantry become ultralight; I’ll go back and change that to “backpacker.”

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#201063 - 06/03/18 01:20 PM Re: Value in lightening loads - a Defense Pespective [Re: Steadman]
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Nice article. Thanks for sharing

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