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#197935 - 03/13/17 06:29 PM Elephant Foot bag?
DustinV Offline

Registered: 01/31/10
Posts: 33
Loc: Lakewood, CO
I wasn't able to find much about this so I thought I'd ask: has anyone used an elephant foot or other short bag and puffy for their sleep insulation here?

I'm contemplating it because I am warming to the idea of wearing more of my insulation to sleep. Maybe I just like the idea of technical pajamas. I don't see this system saving me any weight, but only shifting it into clothes I can wear in the evening and morning.

Either way, I don't like to get out of the down cocoon in the morning, even less at night after I've tried to drown a salty dinner with more than my usual water intake. Also, it does seem logical to wear the puffy and pants I already bring instead of just keeping it handy.

I'm just wondering if there are any caveats before I make the leap into a smaller bag. Or into a smaller quilt. MLD makes a half quilt that might work, too.

Thoughts? Warnings?

#197936 - 03/13/17 07:39 PM Re: Elephant Foot bag? [Re: DustinV]
wandering_daisy Offline

Registered: 01/11/06
Posts: 2764
Loc: California
I have used an elephants foot many times. It is primarily designed for climbers. You pair it with your down jacket. IT is not very useful if you do not have a good quality jacket with hood and you have to have good gloves too.

This is my husband's choice of sleeping system, even though we no longer climb (he is extremely claustrophobic and cannot stand to have his arms enclosed. He had is made to specifications by Feathered Friends. And yes, I am totally envious when he gets up in the morning staying toasty in his big down jacket. He generally sleeps warm so most often just lays the jacket over him- rarely actually puts it on at night.

It is hard to find a commercially available elephants foot anymore. The original idea of an elephant's foot was to reduce weight, for bivy on big wall climbs, since climbers usually took down parkas anyway. Now that the newer lighter 800 down bags are available, elephant's foot bags have fallen out of favor. If you are a cold sleeper, you may find this system less desirable.

One unusual advantage for me- it doubled as a sleeping bag for my babies until they were about 5 years old. I actually sewed my own. It was a synthetic. They are actually quite easy to make because there is no zipper.

If you are simply trying to add some lower body warmth to your current sleeping bag, I would instead get down pants that can also be worn around camp. I also find that in most conditions, my 4 oz down sweater in the morning works just fine to wear when out of the sleeping bag.

The total weight of my system now (down bag plus light down sweater) vs. my husbands, expedition jacket with elephants foot, are about the same.

One other advantage of the elephants foot-parka system is that you can take different weight(temperature rated) jackets for your top layer. This makes the system quite flexible. Be aware that quality expedition jackets are really expensive!

If the elephants foot were an obvious advantage, I would think it would be more popular. For the same money, I think you can get a warmer overall system with just a sleeping bag.

#197972 - 03/16/17 01:21 PM Re: Elephant Foot bag? [Re: wandering_daisy]
DustinV Offline

Registered: 01/31/10
Posts: 33
Loc: Lakewood, CO
I was fortunate enough to work about a mile from a Golite store just before they closed shop and snagged an 850fp Bitterroot on closeout. Super warm. And I just grabbed a set of synthetic insulated pants and down booties because I was already planning on supplementing insulation. So, that's covered.

It does seem like elephant foot bags are pretty rare and expensive, so I guess that's why people aren't as excited about them. I have to admit that the idea of not pulling a puffy layer of down up to my chin sorta feels wrong, but I think I can learn to live with it for the relative gains in versatility and getting a little pack space back.

I'll keep my eyes open for another closeout.

#198014 - 03/22/17 04:57 PM Re: Elephant Foot bag? [Re: DustinV]
Mister13 Offline

Registered: 02/06/17
Posts: 7
Loc: Utah
you probably have seen that patagonia just came out with an elephant foot bag, it seems it is geared to climbers more than anything.

#198017 - 03/22/17 10:36 PM Re: Elephant Foot bag? [Re: Mister13]
JustWalking Offline

Registered: 01/12/16
Posts: 142
Loc: PNW
Nunatak Gear sells a half bag - they've been selling it for a long time now. The Akula half bag I think it's called.

#198040 - 03/27/17 02:51 PM Re: Elephant Foot bag? [Re: JustWalking]
DustinV Offline

Registered: 01/31/10
Posts: 33
Loc: Lakewood, CO
I have seen both of these, in my frantic google searches. I just don't want to spend that much for half a bag, if possible. I can wait ...until I have money and my wife isn't lookin...

Edited by DustinV (03/27/17 02:56 PM)

#199664 - 12/02/17 09:11 PM Re: Elephant Foot bag? [Re: DustinV]
Jim M Offline

Registered: 11/23/03
Posts: 273
Loc: Kitsap Peninsula, WA
I happen to have an elephant foot, but have never used it except I took it on climbs where I thought we had a high risk of getting stuck overnight; never did. However we did spend one cold night out at 9600 feet and 32 deg F one time. Right next to a glacier. I had a medium weight down jacket and hood, wool pants, down pants, and wrapped myself up in a nylon tent. I got some sleep, but I was chilly.
I believe an elephant's foot would have been better. So I got one.
Unfortunately it weighs almost as much as my summer weight 800 gram down sleeping bag and I would much rather have the sleeping bag.
I am a warm sleeper. I am sure that makes a big difference. Also, closed up inside a two person tent with another warm body I find makes a significant difference. Sorry I'm not much help, but interesting to contemplate. My hiking buddy purchased a down "throw" (70" x 50") that weighs about a pound and is (I think) going to make sleeping bag out of it. That would be near armpit high (50").
Jim M


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