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#182216 - 01/23/14 11:16 PM Sleeping aids?
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During recent backpacking trip Iíve noticed at least one person in group using a sleeping aid, Ambien, Tylenol PM or just Benadryl to assist sleeping in the backcountry. I donít take them because it takes half of the next day to fully wakeup but I also feel that it is somehow cheating. Has anybody else encountered this?

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#182217 - 01/23/14 11:26 PM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: SC Forester]
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Sure, but I never use one myself. I sleep better out there than i usually do at home. An mp3 or a music app on my phone is all I've needed when someone's snoring...
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#182221 - 01/24/14 10:59 AM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: SC Forester]
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My knowledge here is limited but I think there's a big difference between prescription sleeping aids and those bought over the counter. I've used the latter and not had any issue with waking up the next morning. I've *heard* multiple times that folks using prescription sleeping pills, however, sometimes do have a tough time fully waking up the next day.
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#182222 - 01/24/14 11:09 AM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: SC Forester]
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Originally Posted By SC Forester
... but I also feel that it is somehow cheating. Has anybody else encountered this?


It is pretty common. Some people have a hard time sleeping. New noises, hard mat, tiny pillow, sleeping bag is too thin. I don't take them, but I don't think it is right to judge other peoples medical choices.

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#182234 - 01/24/14 03:55 PM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: BZH]
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I will sometimes drink chamomile and/or hops flower tea before bed. Hydrates me, tastes good and I'm out like a light. I backback to hike not camp - and often I don't sleep well. I will also sometimes take a Tylenol PM (1 pill, not the full 2 pill dose) if I'm achy.

I don't see how it is "cheating" though. My husband suffers from insomnia and it is pretty serious stuff.

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#182235 - 01/24/14 04:17 PM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: SC Forester]
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I will occasionally take a sleep aid while on the trail. I can have problems sleeping the first few nights of a trip. I use a low dose benzodiazepine and have no difficulty waking in the morning. So, yes, I have "encountered this". Do I think it is "cheating"? No, no more than I think taking ibuprofen for muscle aches is cheating. Moreover, let me suggest that it is probably not really appropriate for one to judge how another person deals with sleep-related issues. In other words, HYOH.
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#182241 - 01/24/14 06:14 PM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: Pika]
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Melatonin is a safe natural supplement that, at least for me, knocks me cold out.
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#182246 - 01/24/14 08:38 PM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: rockchucker22]
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I'm usually awake part of the first night listening to the night sounds, really welcome and exciting after the city noise at home. I just assume that on day 2 I'll be a bit sleep-deprived. After that, no problems! The only issue would be on a one-night trip with a long drive home on day 2, a situation I avoid.

The problem with prescription sleep aids is if you have to get up at night, you will be staggering around quite zonked and could get into trouble.
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#182251 - 01/24/14 09:16 PM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: SC Forester]
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I would never think about questioning somebody taking a medication for medical reasons. I was questioning the use of a sleeping aid like I would question any piece of gear. I have reservations (founded or not) about using a sleeping aid so I could take a lighter sleeping bag and/or mat. In a sense using a medication as a gear supplement. I have heard people say ďthe cold wouldnít bother me Iím taking a sleeping pillĒ. Could you get hypothermic and not realize it until its more serious? Perhaps I should have asked the original question as, Has anybody else come across people using a sleeping aid to lighten their pack.

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#182254 - 01/24/14 09:21 PM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: SC Forester]
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Originally Posted By SC Forester
I would never think about questioning somebody taking a medication for medical reasons. I was questioning the use of a sleeping aid like I would question any piece of gear. I have reservations (founded or not) about using a sleeping aid so I could take a lighter sleeping bag and/or mat. In a sense using a medication as a gear supplement. I have heard people say ďthe cold wouldnít bother me Iím taking a sleeping pillĒ. Could you get hypothermic and not realize it until its more serious? Perhaps I should have asked the original question as, Has anybody else come across people using a sleeping aid to lighten their pack.
Never heard of that and it would be irresponsible.
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#182332 - 01/27/14 09:26 PM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: rockchucker22]
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I don't sleep well the first few nights out but that happens wherever I might go, not just when I'm outside camping or backpacking. I start sleeping like a baby if I'm out for more than three days, but it's not often I'm out longer than that.

The people I backpack with I wouldn't worry about taking something. I wouldn't even think about it unless they said something like they were using it to fend off the cold. That would concern me and might keep me up at night thinking I need to check on them.

On the other hand, I have been around more than a few happy campers who drank enough alcohol to knock themselves out and ended up sleeping outside during some pretty cold nights and they all woke up, so maybe they're on to something crazy
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#182333 - 01/27/14 09:35 PM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: SC Forester]
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I heard they got good sleep aid out west in California, Colorado, Washington......
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#182335 - 01/27/14 09:50 PM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: ETSU Pride]
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Originally Posted By ETSU Pride
I heard they got good sleep aid out west in California, Colorado, Washington......
yea but you need a " prescription"!!
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#182336 - 01/27/14 11:47 PM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: rockchucker22]
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Sleepytime tea and also Calcium-Magnesium...which also helps regulate your heart and help those sore muscles feel better. The kind I like the best is capsules called "boneup." I take a couple in the morning and a couple at night...whether home or away. I have slept soundly ever since I started taking boneup in 05 no matter where I am!
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#182358 - 01/29/14 12:08 PM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: SC Forester]
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The best backpacking sleep aids I have found are a pair of earplugs! The night noises sometimes keep me up if I haven't been out for a while, and the first night or two I sometimes use the earplugs.
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#183017 - 02/19/14 12:40 AM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: dkramalc]
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I always have them with me for campgrounds, and snorers, but unless that's an issue I love the night noises and wouldn't miss 'em. They don't keep me from sleeping.

My best sleep aid is walking all day wink A close second being a couple of dristan and a small nip of scotch.
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#183041 - 02/19/14 11:57 PM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: SC Forester]
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I just accept poor sleep some nights. I use ear plugs. I do not like tea at night because it makes me have to get up and pee a couple of times. I pretty regularly take an antihistamine - I am allergic to down but love my down bag. Cannot sleep on a down pillow at home. the antihistamine also helps me sleep. If really achy I wait a few hours and if still achy, take an Advil. It is surprising how many times all I need to do is relax and aches go away. Most of my sleepless nights are due to worry - about next day's route, weather etc. Occasionally I will chose a terribly uncomfortable campsite and sleep poorly due to lumps or steep side hill. One thing I found counter-intuitive - is that if I listen to soothing music I have a harder time getting to sleep. But if really stressed out from the day I often use music like one would a glass of wine. I just feel I deserve something inspiring.

I sleep poorly at home too, so it is really not a lot of difference.

PS. I am temporarily caring for my 5-year old disabled granddaughter and she is given 7.5 mg of melatonin at night to sleep- it really does the job. She has neurological issues with status-epilepsy and severe sleep problems are typical of her syndrome. I should take one of her melatonin one night and see what happens!

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#185431 - 05/28/14 12:49 PM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: SC Forester]
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Sleep aids can Help if you have a hard time sleeping in the
wilderness.
They can leave you groggy in the morning and take a while to get out of you system.

Ear plugs do wonders for me

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#193103 - 01/09/16 07:04 PM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: SC Forester]
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Unless you have a serious sleep disorder, I would try to stay away from sleep aids, not just on trips, but altogether. They can be habit-forming and some can increase your risk of death or cancer. My best advice is that you consult your doctor.
Hope this helps. Cheers!
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#193127 - 01/11/16 05:04 PM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: Johannes]
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I tried benadryl and advil pm but both had unpleasant side affects next day. I then tried herbal medicine called Luna which really didn't do much to help. More recently I tried another herbal medicine called Sleep Support which seems to work pretty well. Sometimes I 'll take one of these pills plus one regular advil and it seems to work great. I think there's a lot of people with different sleep issues so it's a matter of trial and error.

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#193182 - 01/14/16 08:21 PM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: Lonerock]
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Sleeping at high altitude will often mess with your sleep (first night at say, 8000' ft always bothers mine), and there isn't much to be done, except take aleve or ibuprofen and drink liquids and give yourself time to adjust. Generally, it is not recommended to drink or take central nervous system depressants at high altitudes, at least not til you're adjusted. This is really an issue at altitudes over 14,000', where depressants can be dangerous. If at 14K+, you can trying taking diamox, a prescription drug that will help reduce the headaches and speed up adjustment. I used it recently on a high altitude trip, but only because I was up over 15,000-16,000'. I guess it helped some.
...of course, I have been known to stick a flask of Jagermeister in a snowbank for a little shot before bed: doubt this helps my sleep much, but what the heck smile

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#194288 - 03/16/16 02:48 PM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: bobito9]
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Ever since my cancer surgery, I haven't had a good night sleep. Some nights I'm up every hour or so for a trip to the bathroom. It's one of the new things I have to learn to live with. My biggest problem is getting back to sleep once I wake up. I did try a sleep aid once, and it did help me get back to sleep, but I felt too groggy on each "trip" and the morning was really hard to get up.

Thing that helps me now is putting on an audio book when I go to bed. I have a few that I've read the novels before, so when I wake up and go back to bed, I'm not lost in the place of the story, since I already know it, and I usually drift off right away. Music may work for others, but not for me. I just need to find a cheap player that can have lots & lots & lots of playing hours, and that would work for my sleeping aid.

Probably not feasible on the trail though, so will just have to keep trying to sleep normally unaided. Someone mentioned tea, which can help as well. Although for me, that's like adding fuel to the fire... or water to the bucket...

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#194292 - 03/16/16 05:28 PM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: Zuuk]
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Your case is one where a smartphone (onto which you can load a bunch of audiobooks) would be a good thing. Take earphones, though, so you don't disturb your neighbors.


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#194295 - 03/16/16 08:53 PM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: Zuuk]
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Originally Posted By Zuuk
Thing that helps me now is putting on an audio book when I go to bed. ... I just need to find a cheap player that can have lots & lots & lots of playing hours, and that would work for my sleeping aid. Probably not feasible on the trail though...


Not cheap, but an iPod Touch is rated for 40 hours of audio playback, and even the smallest version (16GB) will hold an awful lot of books. FWIW.

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#194339 - 03/18/16 01:45 PM Re: Sleeping aids? [Re: Zuuk]
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I agree with the couple of replies you've already had --- audio books on the trail can absolutely make sense. I listen to book when I'm doing relatively long hikes by myself.

What works best for me if I plan to listen a lot is a small standalone MP3 player, one that takes a single AAA battery. The great thing about a AAA battery as power source is that you can estimate your amount of listening ahead of time and, at about 18 hours of listening per battery for me, plan out ahead of time how many very light batteries to carry. All without stealing power from a smartphone that in my case at least is used for more important things (photos, blogging, occasional GPS, emergency phone use).
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