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#162442 - 02/18/12 04:31 PM Humidity
Barefoot Friar Offline

Registered: 01/23/09
Posts: 176
Loc: Houston, Alabama
Humidity can kill you.

I live in Alabama. Normal summertime temps here are well above 90°, and in July can reach 100° or more. Relative humidity during the same time generally stays above 80%, usually above 90%.

It's like living and working in a huge sauna. And God help you if it's raining that day. With or without rain gear, you're going to be soaked within a few minutes.

I work outside in it. I have to acclimate or suffer. Often I acclimate AND suffer. One thing I've learned is that drinking constantly is a must. If you don't have to use the bathroom, you're not drinking enough. If you wait until you're thirsty, then you're already dehydrated and in danger of heat exhaustion or sun stroke. I alternate between sports drinks and straight water. I end up drinking about 3-4 quarts in a day while working, then another 1-2 when I get home and am resting. The best way to have a rough day is to not drink enough the day before.

Another thing I've learned is that a straw sombrero with a neck string is the best thing in the world. It is much cooler than any hat I've ever worn. It allows body heat to dissipate, it wicks sweat off my head and away to dry (thereby cooling me), and it provides shade. When I go indoors, or when I need to take it off for whatever reason, I can just knock it back off my head and it hangs around my neck from a string.

A third thing I've learned is that I cannot wear synthetic shirts in hot weather. I suffer. They're too constricting, too hot. They don't absorb enough moisture, and with humidity being as high as it is, they can't do an effective job of wicking it away. So I'm left squelching around in a stinky, sweaty mess. Now mind you a cotton shirt is also going to become a stinky, sweaty mess. But it takes longer for me to wet out a cotton shirt than a synthetic. Note also that I also always wear a cotton undershirt and then a cotton tee shirt on top. In fact, I wear a cotton undershirt all the time, except when sleeping. So much more comfy.

I've been reading elsewhere (ok, on Whiteblaze) where people are complaining about the high humidity in the mid-Atlantic states during the summer. I checked Google... They ain't got nothing on us. When you're used to 85-95% humidity days, then 65-75% is nothing. And the rare days when humidity drops to about 50% (it does occasionally happen) are sheer heaven -- a joy to experience. I remember in 2005 I was working on a golf course. We had a day in August where the temp was 102°, but the humidity was 47%. It was like October almost. The "realfeel" temp was something like 80°. That was the best day of the whole summer.

Those of you who hike in anything less than 80% humidity should feel very, very lucky, as should those who rarely see temps over 85°. Pray for the rest of us poor, tortured souls.

One of these days I'm going to spend some time in a place where the humidity is below 60% in the summer. It'll be next to impossible to get me to come back to Alabama. laugh

Now, to apply this to backcountry health and safety:

I don't get to hike much in the summer, due to the nature of my job. Summer is our busy season. But I do get to go before and after the summer crunch hits, and it's almost as hot and muggy. I hike in a light-colored cotton tee shirt and a pair of thin cotton shorts. This is assuming, of course, that the temperatures are well above 70°. Anything below 75° and I start pulling out my synthetics.

I'm drinking a lot on the trail. I carry 2qts of water, not because water is scarce, but because if I don't hydrate, I will be in trouble. I try to drink both bottles by lunch, another over lunch, and then one or two in the afternoon/evening. Trust me, I sweat it out almost as soon as I drink it. It sounds like a lot of water, but some days it isn't enough.

I don't usually wear a hat while hiking in the forest. Since I'm shaded, I don't need a sunshade so much. I wear a bandanna instead, which gives me the same wicking that the straw does, and it doesn't have a brim to fight with my backpack. If I ever switch to a smaller-profile pack, I may experiment with wearing my sombrero.

Stay hydrated out there, on the trail or at home. And don't overdo it.

This mean, old man died. He'd been a rather passionate Alabama fan, but he'd been so mean in life that St. Peter took one look at him and sent him off to the Devil. The Devil looked at him, asked him what he'd done to be sent to hell, and then stuck him in a cell. A day or two later, Satan came around and asked him how he was liking it.

"Oh, it's not too bad... like Memphis in June," was the reply.

"Hmph. We'll see about that!" said the Devil, and he went and turned up the thermostat. A day or two later, he went back to the old man and asked him how he liked it now.

"Well, I'm pretty happy," he said. "This is like Tuscaloosa in July."

So the old Devil thought to himself, "I'll break him!" and went and turned up the thermostat again. Again he waited a bit and then went back to the cell.

Now the man was sweating pretty bad, but his spirits were still high. When asked, he told the Devil it was like New Orleans in August.

The Devil didn't know what to do. He thought about it a bit, and then had a bright idea. He went over to the thermostat and turned it all the way down. Ice started forming across the molten lake. He went back to the cell and found the old man crying -- squalling.

"What's wrong, can't stand the cold?" the Devil asked.

The old man looked up, sniffing and sobbing.

"No. Auburn just won the national championship!"
"Stand in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; then you will find rest for your souls."

#162451 - 02/18/12 08:40 PM Re: Humidity [Re: Barefoot Friar]
oldranger Offline

Registered: 02/23/07
Posts: 1735
Loc: California (southern)
You would really like Arizona - quite hot, but usually low humidity (10-20%)unless it is monsoon season.

#162479 - 02/19/12 11:24 AM Re: Humidity [Re: Barefoot Friar]
Jimshaw Offline

Registered: 10/22/03
Posts: 3938
Loc: Bend, Oregon
It got up to about 35% here yesterday In central Oregon) - sort of gloomy and overcast, but about 20% in the house is normal, and 10% outside in the summer. Needless to say, I don't worry about spilled water... smile Of course we get maybe 104 degrees not %, in the summer, but its dry, and in the winter itsdry cold, not that damp cold.

Edited by Jimshaw (02/19/12 11:24 AM)
These are my own opinions based on wisdom earned through many wrong decisions. Your mileage may vary.

#162483 - 02/19/12 12:48 PM Re: Humidity [Re: Jimshaw]
Barefoot Friar Offline

Registered: 01/23/09
Posts: 176
Loc: Houston, Alabama
Damp cold feels much colder to me than dry cold. I sleep colder in damp cold than in drier cold.
"Stand in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; then you will find rest for your souls."

#162608 - 02/22/12 08:10 PM Re: Humidity [Re: Barefoot Friar]
tybee Offline

Registered: 01/03/12
Posts: 19
Loc: coastal georgia
ah yes, summer in the deep south.

i love high humidity and biting flies. smile

#162954 - 02/28/12 02:55 PM Re: Humidity [Re: Barefoot Friar]
finallyME Offline

Registered: 09/24/07
Posts: 2710
Loc: Utah
Another reason why I moved here.
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#163040 - 02/29/12 06:24 PM Re: Humidity [Re: Barefoot Friar]
BarryP Offline

Registered: 03/04/04
Posts: 1574
Loc: Eastern Idaho
I’m like ME, I moved out here because I never got used to humidity.

“But it takes longer for me to wet out a cotton shirt than a synthetic… ”

This totally depends on the body and the shirt. You have to experiment. A cotton T-shirt kills me in humidity. It get’s soaked in about 5 minutes and will never dry out and leaches to my body--- plugging all my pores. I’m talking about >80F 90% humidity in IL or MO.

And like you noticed, 100% synthetics are also hot (on me). But I want something to keep me cool and evaporate fast. I’ve had the best luck with thin loose button-down shirts that are poly-cotton blend (usually 40% cotton). JCPenney has been great.

May everyone stay cool, warm, or dry smile

The mountains were made for Teva’s

#163068 - 03/01/12 09:29 AM Re: Humidity [Re: Barefoot Friar]
Blue_Ridge_Ninja Offline

Registered: 09/09/11
Posts: 98
Loc: North Georgia
Being a native and living all but 2 years of my life here, I'm pretty well acclimated, but even I pour sweat during summer treks. One liter of gatorade for every two liters of water seems to be the right ratio for me. A bandana is a must, it's the only way I can keep sweat out of my eyes. Underarmor base with a synthetic button up works pretty well for me, and for the most part I prefer pants year-round. Plenty of canopy in the backcountry so the sun isn't an issue. I'll gladly accept the humidity for the year-round mild weather. No down, snowshoes, ice picks or 0-degree rated bags needed here.

#163079 - 03/01/12 02:06 PM Re: Humidity [Re: BarryP]
finallyME Offline

Registered: 09/24/07
Posts: 2710
Loc: Utah
When I work outside, or hike, in Texas, I like to wear the nylon fishing shirts. They are loose fitting and allow airflow between the shirt and your skin. They also dry fast, and are a lot lighter. And, they are generally SPF rated for sun protection.
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#163131 - 03/02/12 12:50 PM Re: Humidity [Re: finallyME]
skcreidc Offline

Registered: 08/16/10
Posts: 1590
Loc: San Diego CA
Humidity? I got humidity for you. Pensacola in August, working outside in Tyvec with taped up ankles and wrists. Or in the South Pacific under the same circumstance. You need to stay hydrated and pace yourself pure and simple. Start out slow and ease into it and your system will adapt over weeks. Note weeks and not days. I can remember my first week on Guam and I'm in this open air bar in the shade sipping something cold dripping sweat and inside my head screaming "get me out of here!". Six months later I'm working 10 to 12 hour days completely sealed up and swimming in sweat no problem. When I got back to San Diego, however, my skin would itch like crazy for 2 weeks and I couldn't wait to get back. Dang haole skin! drove me nuts. If you give it time, you will adapt.

#163152 - 03/02/12 03:44 PM Re: Humidity [Re: skcreidc]
finallyME Offline

Registered: 09/24/07
Posts: 2710
Loc: Utah
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'll give you humidity....:)

Actually the worst I have ever been in was a week in the summer in Kuwait. Normal it is pretty dry, but I guess for this week the winds changed. Nothing from Houston, or summer in Georgia could compare. Like breathing water almost.
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