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#124512 - 11/29/09 01:25 AM storage tube for stove pump
napcop Offline
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Registered: 11/29/09
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Loc: oHIo
Im looking for a tube that will screw onto my stove pump to keep residual fuel out of my pot when nested/stored. I envision it to look like a short, threaded cigar tube. Any ideas where to get one / how to make one?
Thanks in advance from a newbie-poster...
~napcop

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#124518 - 11/29/09 11:25 AM Re: storage tube for stove pump [Re: napcop]
oldranger Offline
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Registered: 02/23/07
Posts: 1735
Loc: California (southern)
I think you should stow your fuel pump elsewhere or change to a stove that does not need a pump.

A storage tube will most likely sealed by o-rings and they can fail, contaminating your pot. I learned this the hard way. The storage tube is just extra weight and bulk.

Nowadays I keep the burner head for my Pocket Rocket within my cooking pot, wrapped in the windscreen. No vapors, no problem.

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#124519 - 11/29/09 11:59 AM Re: storage tube for stove pump [Re: napcop]
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When I carried a stove of that type (really old MSR), I just carried the pump in the fuel bottle in an outside pocket of my pack.
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#124532 - 11/30/09 12:49 AM Re: storage tube for stove pump [Re: napcop]
Shrike Offline
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Registered: 09/24/09
Posts: 59
Loc: Minnesota
I think pika has the right idea. I have an MSR whisperlite and when I take it on trips I just leave the pump in the fuel can. It does not leak and is the easiest most efficient way to do it IMO. I wouldnt hassle with the storage tube, just leave the pump in the fuel can.

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#124551 - 11/30/09 07:12 PM Re: storage tube for stove pump [Re: Shrike]
groh_frog Offline
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Registered: 11/30/09
Posts: 11
Loc: Northern California
Try one of the gallon-sized, extra heavy duty, double locking zip-lock bags. Not perfect, but moldable, lightweight, and should help keep the leaks down.

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#124777 - 12/05/09 09:20 PM Re: storage tube for stove pump [Re: napcop]
Paul Offline
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Registered: 09/30/02
Posts: 778
Loc: California
I've had a few MSR stoves with the pump, and I've always carried the pump in the fuel bottle with no problems over 30 years, in both Sigg and MSR bottles. Much easier that way.

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#124781 - 12/05/09 10:12 PM Re: storage tube for stove pump [Re: Paul]
DJ2 Offline
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Registered: 01/06/02
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Loc: Seattle, WA
I have a vague memory that this issue was addressed by MSR in the 70s when they first developed the stove. I think the very first models couldn't tolerate constant immersion in the fuel. Subsequent models were designed with materials that could tolerate this immersion almost indefinitely.

Am I imagining this or did I remember it correctly? Perhaps an MSR literate person can verify that leaving the pump in the bottle is OK.

I have had to tighten the on/off valve after smelling leaking fuel in my pack, however. No big deal because I kept the stove in a plastic bag and the fuel did not escape the plastic. Fuel evaporates quickly anyway so I'm not too concerned by a leak now and then.

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#124790 - 12/06/09 12:51 AM Re: storage tube for stove pump [Re: DJ2]
Paul Offline
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All of my MSR pumps (dating back to I think 1978 or 9) have handled it fine. I even store them that way at home. I do let off the pressure before it goes into the pack.

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#124793 - 12/06/09 01:00 AM Re: storage tube for stove pump [Re: Paul]
DJ2 Offline
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Yes, letting off the pressure is important. I forgot to mention that.

The pump that was to be taken out of the fuel bottle when stored was on the very first MSR stove invented by Larry Penberthy in early 70s. It only took them a few months or a year to come up with the improved "leave it in the bottle" pump.....if I'm recalling all of this correctly.

That very first stove, by the way, was like a blow torch. They let us trade it in, at no cost, for a later model that simmered better. I traded it in but never was able to boil water as fast as I could with the very first one they came out with.

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#124794 - 12/06/09 02:29 AM Re: storage tube for stove pump [Re: DJ2]
phat Offline
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Registered: 06/24/07
Posts: 4107
Loc: Alberta, Canada
Originally Posted By DJ2

... was like a blow torch. They let us trade it in, at no cost, for a later model that simmered better. I traded it in but never was able to boil water as fast as I could with the very first one they came out with.


Would that be the first model XGK, or something older?

I have an 80's vintage XGK.. Simmer? You gotta be kidding.

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#124805 - 12/06/09 11:17 AM Re: storage tube for stove pump [Re: phat]
DJ2 Offline
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Phat, if the xgk burns multi fuels then it was before that. The first one they developed was a one fuel, one trick dog.....again if I recall correctly.

I had the benefit of living near MSR and sometimes hiking with Larry Penberthy (via Seattle Mountaineers) so I could keep track of what they were fiddling with as things developed. I bought several MSR stoves, ice axes and packs. Larry Penberthy was very smart and very creative.

Larry said he started out selling the ice axes at a loss just so he could introduce a safer ice axe to the world. Before the metal axes he sold kits that would allow one to fiberglass the wooden shafts of ice axes for greater strength and more predictable breaking points.

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#124940 - 12/08/09 08:37 PM Re: storage tube for stove pump [Re: DJ2]
Paul Offline
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Registered: 09/30/02
Posts: 778
Loc: California
The first was the Model G, I had one of those. White gas only version that later morphed into the XGK.

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#125273 - 12/15/09 12:47 PM Re: storage tube for stove pump [Re: Paul]
chaz Offline
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Registered: 10/22/07
Posts: 1149
Loc: Tennessee
Sounds to me like some great knowledge of fuel stoves. I'm considering getting one. But which one? If I'm not using my pop can/heine setup, I have to resort to the antique pump stove. Very heavy and smelly. I've even looked at junk from china? on e-bay. Low cost, reliable and compact. Suggestions welcome.
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#125293 - 12/15/09 04:26 PM Re: storage tube for stove pump [Re: chaz]
DJ2 Offline
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Registered: 01/06/02
Posts: 1347
Loc: Seattle, WA
I've lost track of where this thread is going and what has been said. But if you are simply looking for a stove recommendation mine would be the MSR Pocket Rocket. I've used it ever since it came out and I love it.

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