So now I ask not "what else could your gear be used for" , but :

'WHAT "ESSENTIAL" GEAR DO YOU CARRY THAT ACTUALLY HAS TWO SEAPARATE DISTINCT FUNCTIONS OR REPLACES TWO PIECES OF GEAR THAT YOU ACTUALLY CARRY AND USE?"

My knife may be used for a multitude of things but unless for instance, it has a cork screw and I always need a cork screw, (then it does replace two items) otherwise its not "multi use" although it in and of itself may be "multifunction"

The real point here is - how much function do you really need for camping? You do not need a radio to camp so even if a radio has ten functions, its un-necessary so it doesn't count.

my BIC lighter just lights fires and I really do not plan on using my Ti spoon as an emergency machete. I wear large rain gear that can go over either my day or camp insulation, but its mot multi use - its still just rain gear.

I think the only thing I have that qualifies is my huge Down Airmattress that I use as a boat and for sleeping. I even have a foam pillow to use as a pillow.

Point being - multiuse does not save weight, it just makes you think you are more prepared.

Jim <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> YMMV

My trekking poles are absolutely essential for me--my balance is not 100% anymore--and have saved me from a number of potentially serious falls. I certainly won't venture out on the trail without them. They also hold up my tent, saving the weight of a tent pole. I'd call them true multiple-use items. The splint/travois emergency functions I mentioned in the other "multi-use" thread could, of course, use sticks instead, unless one is above timberline.

The pliers on my Leatherman Micra serve as a pot lifter, so that's a use other than the normal uses for a knife. I don't have to carry a potlifter or a potholder (I have a habit of burning up the latter, even at home). I also find the pliers useful for threading straps through buckles--they have been known to pull out of the buckles occasionally and I find grasping 1/16" of a strap end with my fingers almost impossible. In fact, the pliers are the item on the multitool that I use the most.

My silnylon (non-breathable) rain gear serves as a vapor barrier layer in my sleeping bag on below-freezing nights. I would agree that using it for wind (or horsefly) protection is a normal use for rain gear and not multiple use. It of course would be no use as a vapor barrier if it were breathable.

While the frisbee listed in the other "multiple use" thread certainly has the most multiple uses, it is definitely not an essential item!

Thinking about "mutiple use" does lead one to considering various innovations one could use existing gear for in an emergency! Saves taking a lot of what some folks carry in their first-aid kits.

This limitinf parameter made me think. Especially when I consider exactly what is essential for me. Since everyone's skill level will be different, what is essential for one, might not be for others. Thus the only things I can think of which are truly essential, do not have multi-use. Well they "could" but it would be in emergency situations, none have ever been used that way except for my own training and testing as preparation for a survival situation.

What kind o' silly talk is that? Half my camping revolves around radio contesting.

My Gatewood Cape is specifically designed as both raingear and shelter.

Now that I hang my hammock most of the time, the GW Cape becomes a very nice gear storage area.

Unless you carry a very sharp and large spoon, <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I don't think you could use it to wack down anything. If you can, I'd like to know how it's done. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I do carry usless items. My Mp3 player for instance. I weighs little and has an FM radio function. So in itself it is multi function. Except for the fact that the radio doesn't pick up a signal in the backcountry. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
The best multi use functional piece of gear that I can think of is a length of line or rope.

I like OM’s idea with the trekking pole and I just remembered that’s what I do to. I just never thought about it. MY GG pole fits my GG Squall Classic perfectly.

I also like OM’s idea using the leatherman micra pliers as a pot holder. But I was wondering, because there is no 90° bend in the plier, doesn’t this require the hand to get the brunt of the steam (when lifting) thus getting a steam burn?

My other dual use item is my JRB Shenandoah quilt. It has a poncho hole. I don’t bring a coat (except for the O2 rain jacket) so this has saved weight. But that’s only for 3 season.

-Barry

Hi Mouse <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

My Ti pots all have built in swing out handles - haven't carried a pot grippper for a decade. Then my friend Michele bought a fancy new heavy aluminum non-stick camping pot, and of course it has no handles so I pulled out one of my half a dozen old ones and mailed her one. Why didn't she just bring a kitchen pot that did have a handle? Wouldn't have weighed that much more. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
Jim

Rope - well a rope can be used for many things, but its still a rope. I like to carry a short piece of 5mm rope, but I can't use it for much else besides being rope - I can't cook over it, light a fire with it, and hanging yourself is still using it as a rope. I suppose if you tied your trekking pole to your shelter with that piece of rope? - nah... Maybe if you set snares and use the rope to hang your food? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

I'm carrying the "Earthling fire straw" for testing, but so far I haven't found a use except as a straw. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Now if your pack was used as a bivy sack that would count. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

I have actually thought about designing a frameless pack that would accomplish this. The idea came to me with my fanatic fringe thmpson peak pack; specifically the extension collar. I figured a long enough"collar" that would fold down into the the pack itself could be extended to make the pack a full length bivy. I have made some prelimnary drawings but never put scissors to cloth since I use a hammock and a bivy sack would not be useful to me.

Glue some small paper cones to the ends of large sewing needles and you'll have a nice blowgun for mice, sparrows, and other hors d'oeuvres. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
I sometimes carry an arrow shaft which doubles as an antenna mast (see Dryer Backpacker Yagi...make your own gear section), for that non-essential radio I carry. It doubles as a 'fire straw', tarp pole, blow gun, and hawaiian sling fish spear, with a broadhead screwed on the end.

Dryer
I actually own a 2 foot long blowgun made by the Jivaro Indians in South America - the old Head Hunter tribe. The darts are split bamboo like material. A hollow "nut" with a hole in it holds some fiber like Kapok, that is twisted onto the end of the darts. Its highly accurate. I suppose it could be also used as a club, fire blower, or with poison darts - as a suicide device - just inhale... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

SO have you tried using your straw as a blow gun? Or are you instead blowing steam? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Jim <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

PS my fire straw is actually made from a hollow aluminum tent stake and the pointy end is still on with a 3/32" hole drilled in the end. This "nozzle" accelerates the air and makes blowing on a small fire more better.

WHAT <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> With a name like DUCT TAPE you ain't slidin' by that easy my friend <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Cough it up, what do you carry that has 2 separate and distinct uses <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

There ya' go Jim <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Sounds more like what my Thanksgiving Day dinner will consist of <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

I use it as a spitball gun for the heavy snorers in camp, plus it adds entertainment of the 'no-see-um type' <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Get 2 sticks with forked ends, place sharpened other end in ground, suspend Earthling Fire Straw between, hang yer pot over yer campfire <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Sip yer drinks through it <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Help start yer fire with a bit of wheezin <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

There's a start <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Now just try and drink from a seep with that stake <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Geeze, another b'gun nut, go figure <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> Stress Another <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

LOL. Ok you got me. I sometimes use my hand santizer and toilet paper as a means to start a fire. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Just about everyhting I carry is for comfort and not "necessary' but that is due to skill level. Heck I even carry duct tape out of convenience, if I needed an adhesive I could make some from rendering the tar from birch bark. Thus it isn't a necessity for me to carry it.

Anyway, thanks for the laugh.

Glad to oblige <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Hand santizer, there ya' go!

I got it
Some times I use toilet paper in my coffee filter funnel. Coffee IS essential... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Oh oh - and I could use my winter sled as an eating bowl. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

I suppose my ski poles could double as chop sticks.

Now what else could climbing skins or crampons be used for? Oh I could clean fish with crampons AND I could tenderise meat with them. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> climbing skins - hmmmm.

An ice axe is very multipurpose. As is a shovel - hey a shovel could be used as a plate unless you use it for sanitation purposes. An ice axe serves well as a tent stake and it can shave or chop frozen food like nobodies business. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

How about pack as sleeping pad extension for under the feet. Or pack as bear bag, I sometimes just hang the whole dang pack instead of bringing a bag for this (Obviously, I don't camp much in the Sierras or other smart bear country)

My internal frame pack. In the day it carries stuff. In the evening it is set against a rock for a soft backrest while I cook. At night, it comes in the tent or my bivy and becomes a pillow. It also becomes a piece of my wind-break for my stove if needed.

My sleeping bag stuff sack. In the day it compresses my sleeping bag. In the evening it becomes a ground cloth for bags of food. At night it too becomes part of my "pillow" system.

My bivy sack. It is bright yellow. If I fall off a cliff I can use it mark my spot for a rescue. Or crawl in it my last breath - a body bag!! (that is a bit morbid) (I have not tried to blow it up, tie a knot and float down a river)

Ice axe - now that is a real tool! Trowel, back scratcher, bug squisher, weapon, tent site smoother, tent stake, support post for my Kelty external frame pack when I want to make a chair and there are no trees or rocks

External frame pack - chair back, tarp post, weapon, tie it to two large limbs and you have a litter to carry out an injured person

Sleeping pad - splint, flotation devise, back rest padding

Shoe insoles -- padding on my hips when my pack is killing me!

shirt -- towel to dry off, shirt to wear, rag to wipe up rain in my tent, a skirt if my pants split in the back, cut off shirt-tail for bandages, turban for my head when no shade in camp, emergency flag, fan, bug swatter

I will think of some more.

Bear can-

Food storage
Water carrier
Seat
Basin to wash stuff in
Bear toy

Uh, yes. But that diameter (arrow shaft) is only good for sewing needle size darts.
I make 'em from 2" lengths of thin piano wire, sharpened, dab of cotton glued to the other end. It 'might' take down a mouse or small bird.
On my big blowguns...1/2" copper or aluminum tubing....I use full length 10" bamboo shish kabob skewers and paper cones. You can buy a handfull at Walmart/Target for a couple bucks. You can actually dart fish with that. You get a flatter trajectory with bamboo over metal due to less weight.

I agree that some multi-use ideas are questionable. I think its more important to make sure its all well thought out ahead of time so you are prepared for most emergencies, like along the lines of Sarbars list.

Wool blankets are highly under-rated. Especially good for day-hikes.

Yes a straw is what it's for. I thought that was made very clear. Sucking up water from a trickle stream or blowing on embers to light a fire. Hence the name Firestraw. It could also be used for a hamster splint. Maybe you could make it longer and use one for an internal frame pack stay.
Now I have to rethink all the multiuse items. If I carried all of them I might have to buy a bigger pack. I think the bandana wins so far.

Toilet paper wins

OK all of these may not be completely legit, but there are an armful. First off my wife's input on multiple uses of toilet paper.
1) Bra padding for young campers
2) intimate feminine usage
3) Tinder
4) Cleaning up messes...
5) First aid as a gauze replacement
6) Wrapping a delicate specimen
7) Making a big X on the ground for rescue
8) wiping condensation from tent
9) wrappable insulation - emergency hat or neck scarf or foot insulation.
10) oil lamp wick
11) sediment filter
12) coffee filter
13) ear plugs
14) Surrender flag
15) molotov cocktail
16) Silencer
17) TP a friends tent
18) camp chair shimming = level device
19) Roll makes a pipe
20) wrap around comb for quasi kazoo
21) polishing glasses
22) small square targets
23) ?????
Jim <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> YMMV

pranking a neighbors tent on halloween?

oops you already had that one!

Dang. And I don't carry the stuff backpacking. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Dryer,

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Never mind that invite to come camp with me Dryer... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
Jim <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

I feel the tiniest bit less wimpy now <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Bill

This is a true story! About 15 years ago, my I took my daughter on a 18-day backpack in the Wind Rivers. We descended Bull Lake Canyon and ended up rim-rocked about half-way down. We built a raft from driftwod using 4 sleeping bag straps and two bungee cords. Then we used our raingear as "wetsuits" to swim the packs across (twice). The water was straight off a glacier and the canyon was so deep that we had no sunshine. The first time we swam naked we froze. The second time we did the wet suit trick. It really worked. (it was my daughter's idea). Less than a mile further we hit a cliff and had to lower packs - on - you guessed it! sleeping bag straps and bungee cords. I also strung my fish on the bungee cord. I do not think if this qualifies - but we shared one pair of wading shoes. One of us would cross and then toss the teva's back to the other person.

This reminded me of the many uses for sleeping bag straps. I have used straps to tie down extra corners of my tent, wrap around a rock in place of a tent stake, belt for pants (you do not need a belt when the pack is on because the waist strap keeps my pants up, but at night I need a belt. Hang food from little critters. Clothesline. Alternatively, you could just use cord to tie on your sleeping bag and then use it for all of the above too.

There are those who do not agree with this idea - but I have done this many times -- as I read pages of a book I then use then as toilet paper.

I do not take extra paper - just write my trip notes on the back of my maps. Many of my maps have little corners torn off where I wrote my e-mail address for someone I met in the mountains.

I still say that a multiuse is an item that Can be used for another purpose! It's what your mind can conceive. Every invention created was created from a thought or idea. Just because someone configures something a certian way doesn't mean it can't be used in a different way. Take a stone for instance. It was probably the first tool. Sure there are items that are intentionaly made with two or more uses. Take the poncho for instance. I'll bet it started out as a tarp and was modified so you could see out of it and wear it. then someone deceided to plug the hole and use it for a tarp again. I still say a stick or bandana wins. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

That's a really interesting thought Chaz.

Language is that way also. I listened to this show on CBC radio where they were talking about words, and that ALL words orginate as metaphors. Newer words tend to be living metaphors and older words tend to become dead metaphors, where they become so common we forget their origin, but all words are metaphors.

In that sense all words are gear and tools and raw materials,
and so all gear and tools and raw materials are metaphors.

Just make sure a few of these abstract concepts are made real when you really need them. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Yes, out of necessity comes fruition, but, form should always follow function.

Yeah but try and tell them that. My function always ends up grovelling after her form. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Yes, and always will!

A bandana also serves most of those purposes. Plus, on one Fall hike it was much warmer than I had expected and I was so overheated in my wool base layer (did not bring a light shirt) that I fashioned a skimpy "top" from two bandanas (this was a fashion trend in the 70's!). Bandanas make nice prayer flags, sweat bands, tent cord, sun shade, and you can express yourself with outrageous designs and colors.

Yeah I mostly want the outragious designs and colors. I thought about a camo colored tye dye? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

LOVE crazy bandanas! My favorite has happy suns all over it. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Back to the topic, though, contact lens saline solution makes a great wound/burn irrigation before field dressing. Have I mentioned that you've REALLY gotta watch those camp stoves? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Blowing your nose
cleaning your ears
loaning to people who are suffering from the Mountain House two step
markers, should you be directionally challenged yet need to go some distance off trail - drape over a branch every few steps and retrieve them on the way back.

I need to look for one of those. It would be great to wear on dreary days. I could also wear it onstage with a new band I want to form. I intend to call it,"Orange Sunshine", play only Psycadilic seventies and very electric blues.
But really, I think a bandana could have so many uses. I don't currently own one but will ditch the pack towell (that I really never use) and pick up two bandanas. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

No more James Taylor? I could listen to JT forever . . .

No more JT please! All that stuff is now Musak in grocery store's.

Because of the way you framed your question, I really had give this some thought, and even that wasn't helping me come up with anything. But then I suddenly realized that on my last hike I left neosporin home because I took some raw honey with me to put on my oatmeal in the morning. I'd always considered neosporin essential before I learned about using raw honey.

Raw honey can be used as an anti-biotic ointment and an ointment for burns. It's also good to use as a dressing for most wounds and it promotes healing. Taken all by itself, honey is a great energy booster. It's also a very good cough suppressant and local raw honey is good for reducing allergies.

And, don't forget, it can also be used to attract bees and bears, in case you want either of those to come visit you.

So, for me, a little bit of honey is now considered essential gear as well as multi-use and multi-purpose, and, it tastes a whole lot better than neosporin on oatmeal too <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Bill

23 ways to use TP.....

Dude, that sounds to me like something only an experienced Dead Head could figure out. In fact, I think I saw a guy back in `73 doing #9 in a rain storm. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Bill

This only applies on ski trips: my ski poles are the poles for my shelter (MSR Twin Peaks).

My High UV Buff.
Great headwear, nose wiper, pot cleaner, water strainer, and emergency bandage.

a lardge wedge tent stake makes a rather nice trowl. I carry one as my pack trowl and use it in conditions when a sturdy stake is needed.
http://store.colemans.com/cart/tent-stake-9-in-aluminum-27-pack-unused-p-1994.html

I carry a plastic trowel that proved almost usless in soil that is root bound. For some trips I'm tempted to buy a lightweight folding shovel that can be used as a pic. I know that this will increase my pack weight but to dig a small hole shouldn't take me as long as using a stake. Maybe there is another way but I don't know what that would be.

I have dug rather lardge holes in rootbound,rocky hard clay here in ga in just a few seconds. so when i said it makes a rather nice trowl. i was dead serious.

I must say that I would have no use for 27 of those things. I'm sure there are places where you could buy one or two similar stakes at a time. However, I have a similar semicircular tent stake dating from the 1980's (probably came with a tent I no longer have). It does a great job of digging and weighs 1.0 ounce. Since half of what I bury comes from my dog, he gets to carry it in his pack! Of course it could be a spare tent stake in case of need.

What I've used is the SMC Perforated Snow Stake (also useful in soft earth): http://www.backcountrygear.com/catalog/accessdetail.cfm/SMC225

It's aluminum and fairly long, so the downside is that if you're not a bit cautious, you can use the leverage to bend the tip, after which it's never as strong in future. Still, I've used this as my only hole digging implement for something like 3000 miles now, and only bent it a couple of times. At $1.50 each, it's a cheap thing to try, and maybe useful for it's intended purpose too

If you want to make it a little more comfortable to hold, dip the top couple inches in plastidip.
You might also want to file the edges a bit to smooth it out (remove small metal burrs), depending on how you carry this on/in your pack (I slip it in the external mesh because ... well, when a body has to go, a body has to go!).

Foam sit pad:

1. Add to the end of my 3/4 length pad to insulate my feet at night.

2. Fan for fires

3. Frame for frameless pack.

4. Windscreen for alcohol stoves

5. Of course, a sit pad!

Others have already mentioned some good ideas I also use.

I carry a plastic sleeve that might hold a magazine. It's made of the same material and thickness as a contractor bag. When resting on the trail, I put it on the ground and sit on it, especially on damp days. In camp I am likely to fill it with kindling or anything else that needs keepig dry.
Also I carry 4 chopsticks. There is a particular design that works well as a tent stake...eat with them or use as kindling.

"James Taylor "rocks"......

James Taylor? Isn't he the "Bon Jovi" of the hippie set?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkRIRnaRSkM

BF

I'm not even clicking that...

Bill

I'm terrified to click most of BF's youtube links!

BFs links are awesome and they are often very closely associated with really wierd stuff so that I end up spending half an hour watching other stuff that keeps popping up. MOst recently it was hedge hogs and totally stoned out looking people flipping butterfly knifes.

Now butterfly knifes are a real multiuse item. ???

Oh and can we call a gun a match?
Jim

Glad you brought this up, Jim! Who wins when a knife goes up against a gun? This link's for you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k032tSEeAs&feature=related

BF

I am still laughing at the Aerosmith one in the women pants thread. Steve Tyler always amazes me on how strange he looks. It is amazing how Liv is able to be as hot as she is.

I am also amazed at how quickly BF can find the video.

I think BF is one of those genious types. He probably just surfs youtube with his mind!

See, y'all did it again. I wasn't going to click the link and now I have to see what y'all are talking about.

BF, how DO you fing all those links so quicly?

Stone gods hugh? That's about the most trite name any musician could choose for their band. Usually when someone is refered to as a ROCK God it's because they have captured the essence and admiration of their fans, eg. Eric Clapton. You don't call yourself an icon. Your fans must choose. Man, what has the world come to. Now what can a guitar serve as a multi use item? YOu can make music with it and then set it on fire. ala Jimi Hendrix. Oh and I forgot. You can use it to beat off all your fans rushing the stage. Or just smash it to smithereens to make kindling.

It's a better name than "American Idol"... This is their OLD band:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFtywrOTnHw&feature=related
BF

Okay, I knew better, but I clicked that one anyway...

ehhhuuu...

I'm sure "The Darkness" has it's fans, but I'm not sure why.

However, I was inspired to create an ultra-lightweight hiking suit that will hypnotize wild animals when I'm bushwhacking around, so there was a bright side

Bill

I've wondered the same thing... anyone know if Smartwool makes a catsuit in cougar print? Size XXL with an open chest? It can't be a boot-cut, either...it MUST be bell-bottomed

BF

Oh, God! The picture in my head, make it stop!

BF
" a catsuit in cougar print? Size XXL with an open chest? It can't be a boot-cut, either...it MUST be bell-bottomed
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I know of a place on Haight Street in San Francisco that will make it for you if they don't have it in stock already. You could also pick up the in-appropriate underwear while you were there, and perhaps some xxl patterned panty hose.
Jim

Get two. I may be in portland in november

Jim,
You do not wear underwear with a catsuit...duhhhh

BF

November in Portland it is!! I'll bring the steaks and wiskey
How's the Eagle Creek trail sound, Phat? It's just outside of Portland down the Columbia gorge and there are plenty of trees for our hammocks! Nice easy long scenic trail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ1i47g3mJ8

BF

In the 70's and 80's I had big hair. But at least when I look back I won't have a vision of very cheezy rock suits. Now all my cloths come from the gear store.

I know - we pondered doing that last time. If I still end up
going there we'll do it (the trip is not 100% at this point in
time..)

phat

Bigfoot only eats burned steaks. I took good steaks and he wanted it burned! Burned steaks and candy...
Jim

Not true, Jim. I made the spaghetti the second night...with candy as a side dish I remember you whining the whole trip about not having creamer for your coffee, though....

http://www.helium.com/items/74641-the-dangers-of-eating-undercooked-meat

I don't think Phat would mind you tagging along with us if we go, so stop worrying Besides, we need a Hooch to have some fun with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7CY2LFA6dY
Consider yourself invited!


BF

Burned steak? yuck! kiss both sides of it lightly with the grill and it's done.

Coffee creamer? yeech. That's only for making your skim milk
powder taste more like Nido in your FBC recepies.. don't pollute your coffee with it.

Geez, sounds like you're both a pack of high maintenance princesses

Burned steaks? He could save a lot of trouble and fuel by eating roasted beef jerkey (over a cook fire).


Bigfoot must have Sawzall blades for teeth.

I used to grill out a couple of times a week. Usually ribeyes. My wife said she doesn't want to see any red or blood on her plate. I like mine rare to med rare. So I would tell her I'll cook mine and ruin hers. What kinda candy do you put on a steak anyway? Melted M&M's might be good. It could mask the burnt flavor.

Hmmm... You know, I'd really like to see a photo. You must have one lying around somewhere you could post...

I think there's a darn good chance you did wear something cheezy back in the 70's. You sure you weren't wearing platforms and Big Bells with a wide cuff when you were on stage? Maybe you had some tight leather pants and one of those real tight R&R T-Shirts?

I was there too chaz... I saw what was going on

Bill

Hey, I like my steaks medium-rare, and I drink my coffee plain and black! Wish I could go with y'all . . .

You are more than welcome to come along if you like I'll even pick you up at the airport and give you a lift to the trail head if we end up going in November.

BF

Phat,

"Were it not for my companion, I believe I would be having the time of my life. I know he means well, but he is quite possibly the foulest man I have ever met."--Dances With Wolves.

'Nuff said

BF

FACT IS

we need to have a PNW camping trip this year, and add anybody who'll fly in.
Jim

AMEN to that

BF

Yeah you caught me. I did have bell bottoms, platform shoes and a natural weave shirt with black accents. If I knew how to attach a pic I'd send you a thrill. LOL

Hmmm, November might be do-able. I'll have taken my second trip to Aussie, so I might have enough flyer miles saved up. That is of course if y'all don't mind a girl tagging along.

Hey that was just an "LOL," not an "LOL ouch." On the mend?

Not at all...i invited Jimshaw...

BF

Folklorist

Girls are ok. I may invite my former female climbing partner who lives in Seatttle to join us. If there is too much testosterone you may join us on the "gentile" side of the camp. I dearly hope Wandering Daisy might join us, or SARBAR - mmmmm she can be the cook.
Jim

It only hurts when I laugh or cough or sneeze or walk or well, just about anything.

Salt. It can be used to season your food, and instead of using a saline nose spray, you can mix a bunch with boiled water for that purpose. I was once hooked on Afrin and couldn't breathe with out it. Maybe this should be in health and safety?

I gotta admit, I'm already checking out flight costs.
I'm nearly immune to testosterone. Where I work the ratio of men to women is huge. I actually like it; men are goofy. I just don't understand the attraction to football . . .

'Twould be neat if some others of the gentler sex from the forum joined us.

Folkalist (which btw is a vocalist for likes to sing folk tunes)

Oh, we can cure that. Drink a gallon of prune juice, eat two dozen prunes, and eat a half a box of exlax.


It doesn't actually cure the cough, stop the sneezes or keep stuff from being funny, but you sure as heck will learn to control it fast!

(Sorry, it was a joke one of the presenters used at the seminar we were putting on this week. <groan>).

quote: men are goofy.

I'm not a big fan of team sports either. But men being goofy, well that's probably because they are trying to be respectful around goofy women. You wanna see goofy, watch The Office. Every character on that show is so goofy that together they wouldn't have the sense to buy a cup of coffee. that's another reason I don't like working around co-workers. It becomes kinda like the animal world. Soon everyone is trying to find their place on the ladder. The last place I worked, I started out just trying to do my job. I was getting praise for my good work. Then the manager got canned. Then some "woman" from corporate came in as temp manager until a replacement was found. I think that woman fell of a turnip truck.
Some of the most most insane thinks came out of her mouth. And the lies that floated around were unbelievable. I was lied to on a daily basis. It was a sad state of affairs when so many people on the bottom fought for scraps. I finally was injured and made a claim and got the hell out of there. Goofy, was an understatement around that place. they are fools if they think I'm ever gonna walk back in that place. Sorry I got started. But.....

Aw, Chaz, I didn't mean to open that kind of door. I really meant goofy in great sort of way. Men don't primp as much as women; they are a lot more comfortable with themselves. I like seeing the ties their children get them for Christmas. The guys I work with are all law enforcement. They've seen some really awful crap in their careers and have become pretty good at enjoying the little things (like when the copier works). They can tell a joke three different ways: private group naughty, law enforcement naughty, and in-the-presence-of-the-fairer-sex semi-clean. And the joke is funny all three ways! They tell stories about their kids' accomplishments the way only Dads can. Most of them want to be "gentlemanly" and seem saddened that so many women won't let them open doors for them or help carry boxes or the like. I just like working with them. They challenge my perspective and bring balance to how we approach things.

And sometimes, when the planets align just right . . . they have chocolate stashed in their office!

I didn't mean to offend. I just don't like generizations. Take my wife for example. She runs the house around here but sometimes I beg to differ. Keep up the good work in Law enforcement.

No offense taken! Stereotypes and generalizations can be damaging.

Yeah, I like surround sound myself. LOL

In the original post of this thread, Jimshaw said:



Watch this YouTube video and turn your BIC into a bottle opener. If you say that this does not make your lighter multifunction because beer is not needed to camp (heathen!), watch this other YouTube video that shows you how to use your lighter to win free beers at the bar. Now your wallet can weigh less because you don't have to carry as much cash for the end-of-the-trail (or middle-of-the-trail) bar stop.

For those rare few among us that still carry a Zippo - don't feel guilty! You can use it for a magic trick! That makes it multipurpose, doesn't it? We all need entertainment on those rainy days in the trail shelter.