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#106327 - 11/10/08 08:04 PM REAL multi use items?
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So now I ask not "what else could your gear be used for" , but :

'WHAT "ESSENTIAL" GEAR DO YOU CARRY THAT ACTUALLY HAS TWO SEAPARATE DISTINCT FUNCTIONS OR REPLACES TWO PIECES OF GEAR THAT YOU ACTUALLY CARRY AND USE?"

My knife may be used for a multitude of things but unless for instance, it has a cork screw and I always need a cork screw, (then it does replace two items) otherwise its not "multi use" although it in and of itself may be "multifunction"

The real point here is - how much function do you really need for camping? You do not need a radio to camp so even if a radio has ten functions, its un-necessary so it doesn't count.

my BIC lighter just lights fires and I really do not plan on using my Ti spoon as an emergency machete. I wear large rain gear that can go over either my day or camp insulation, but its mot multi use - its still just rain gear.

I think the only thing I have that qualifies is my huge Down Airmattress that I use as a boat and for sleeping. I even have a foam pillow to use as a pillow.

Point being - multiuse does not save weight, it just makes you think you are more prepared.

Jim <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> YMMV
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#106328 - 11/11/08 12:24 AM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: Jimshaw]
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My trekking poles are absolutely essential for me--my balance is not 100% anymore--and have saved me from a number of potentially serious falls. I certainly won't venture out on the trail without them. They also hold up my tent, saving the weight of a tent pole. I'd call them true multiple-use items. The splint/travois emergency functions I mentioned in the other "multi-use" thread could, of course, use sticks instead, unless one is above timberline.

The pliers on my Leatherman Micra serve as a pot lifter, so that's a use other than the normal uses for a knife. I don't have to carry a potlifter or a potholder (I have a habit of burning up the latter, even at home). I also find the pliers useful for threading straps through buckles--they have been known to pull out of the buckles occasionally and I find grasping 1/16" of a strap end with my fingers almost impossible. In fact, the pliers are the item on the multitool that I use the most.

My silnylon (non-breathable) rain gear serves as a vapor barrier layer in my sleeping bag on below-freezing nights. I would agree that using it for wind (or horsefly) protection is a normal use for rain gear and not multiple use. It of course would be no use as a vapor barrier if it were breathable.

While the frisbee listed in the other "multiple use" thread certainly has the most multiple uses, it is definitely not an essential item!

Thinking about "mutiple use" does lead one to considering various innovations one could use existing gear for in an emergency! Saves taking a lot of what some folks carry in their first-aid kits.
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#106329 - 11/11/08 02:48 AM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: Jimshaw]
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This limitinf parameter made me think. Especially when I consider exactly what is essential for me. Since everyone's skill level will be different, what is essential for one, might not be for others. Thus the only things I can think of which are truly essential, do not have multi-use. Well they "could" but it would be in emergency situations, none have ever been used that way except for my own training and testing as preparation for a survival situation.
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#106330 - 11/11/08 04:56 AM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: Jimshaw]
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You do not need a radio to camp so even if a radio has ten functions, its un-necessary so it doesn't count.


What kind o' silly talk is that? Half my camping revolves around radio contesting.
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#106331 - 11/11/08 06:24 AM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: Jimshaw]
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My Gatewood Cape is specifically designed as both raingear and shelter.

Now that I hang my hammock most of the time, the GW Cape becomes a very nice gear storage area.
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#106332 - 11/11/08 06:30 AM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: Jimshaw]
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my Ti spoon as an emergency machete.

Unless you carry a very sharp and large spoon, <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I don't think you could use it to wack down anything. If you can, I'd like to know how it's done. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I do carry usless items. My Mp3 player for instance. I weighs little and has an FM radio function. So in itself it is multi function. Except for the fact that the radio doesn't pick up a signal in the backcountry. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
The best multi use functional piece of gear that I can think of is a length of line or rope.
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#106333 - 11/11/08 07:55 AM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: OregonMouse]
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I like OMís idea with the trekking pole and I just remembered thatís what I do to. I just never thought about it. MY GG pole fits my GG Squall Classic perfectly.

I also like OMís idea using the leatherman micra pliers as a pot holder. But I was wondering, because there is no 90į bend in the plier, doesnít this require the hand to get the brunt of the steam (when lifting) thus getting a steam burn?

My other dual use item is my JRB Shenandoah quilt. It has a poncho hole. I donít bring a coat (except for the O2 rain jacket) so this has saved weight. But thatís only for 3 season.

-Barry

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#106334 - 11/11/08 09:10 AM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: OregonMouse]
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Hi Mouse <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

My Ti pots all have built in swing out handles - haven't carried a pot grippper for a decade. Then my friend Michele bought a fancy new heavy aluminum non-stick camping pot, and of course it has no handles so I pulled out one of my half a dozen old ones and mailed her one. Why didn't she just bring a kitchen pot that did have a handle? Wouldn't have weighed that much more. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
Jim

Rope - well a rope can be used for many things, but its still a rope. I like to carry a short piece of 5mm rope, but I can't use it for much else besides being rope - I can't cook over it, light a fire with it, and hanging yourself is still using it as a rope. I suppose if you tied your trekking pole to your shelter with that piece of rope? - nah... Maybe if you set snares and use the rope to hang your food? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

I'm carrying the "Earthling fire straw" for testing, but so far I haven't found a use except as a straw. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Now if your pack was used as a bivy sack that would count. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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#106335 - 11/11/08 01:46 PM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: Jimshaw]
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Now if your pack was used as a bivy sack that would count. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />


I have actually thought about designing a frameless pack that would accomplish this. The idea came to me with my fanatic fringe thmpson peak pack; specifically the extension collar. I figured a long enough"collar" that would fold down into the the pack itself could be extended to make the pack a full length bivy. I have made some prelimnary drawings but never put scissors to cloth since I use a hammock and a bivy sack would not be useful to me.

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#106336 - 11/11/08 02:25 PM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: Jimshaw]
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I'm carrying the "Earthling fire straw" for testing, but so far I haven't found a use except as a straw.


Glue some small paper cones to the ends of large sewing needles and you'll have a nice blowgun for mice, sparrows, and other hors d'oeuvres. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
I sometimes carry an arrow shaft which doubles as an antenna mast (see Dryer Backpacker Yagi...make your own gear section), for that non-essential radio I carry. It doubles as a 'fire straw', tarp pole, blow gun, and hawaiian sling fish spear, with a broadhead screwed on the end.
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#106337 - 11/11/08 03:02 PM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: Dryer]
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Dryer
I actually own a 2 foot long blowgun made by the Jivaro Indians in South America - the old Head Hunter tribe. The darts are split bamboo like material. A hollow "nut" with a hole in it holds some fiber like Kapok, that is twisted onto the end of the darts. Its highly accurate. I suppose it could be also used as a club, fire blower, or with poison darts - as a suicide device - just inhale... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

SO have you tried using your straw as a blow gun? Or are you instead blowing steam? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Jim <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

PS my fire straw is actually made from a hollow aluminum tent stake and the pointy end is still on with a 3/32" hole drilled in the end. This "nozzle" accelerates the air and makes blowing on a small fire more better.
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#106338 - 11/11/08 03:03 PM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: DTape]
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This limitinf parameter made me think. Especially when I consider exactly what is essential for me. Since everyone's skill level will be different, what is essential for one, might not be for others. Thus the only things I can think of which are truly essential, do not have multi-use. Well they "could" but it would be in emergency situations, none have ever been used that way except for my own training and testing as preparation for a survival situation.


WHAT <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> With a name like DUCT TAPE you ain't slidin' by that easy my friend <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Cough it up, what do you carry that has 2 separate and distinct uses <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#106339 - 11/11/08 03:16 PM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: Dryer]
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I'm carrying the "Earthling fire straw" for testing, but so far I haven't found a use except as a straw.


Glue some small paper cones to the ends of large sewing needles and you'll have a nice blowgun for mice, sparrows, and other hors d'oeuvres. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
I sometimes carry an arrow shaft which doubles as an antenna mast (see Dryer Backpacker Yagi...make your own gear section), for that non-essential radio I carry. It doubles as a 'fire straw', tarp pole, blow gun, and hawaiian sling fish spear, with a broadhead screwed on the end.


There ya' go Jim <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Sounds more like what my Thanksgiving Day dinner will consist of <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

I use it as a spitball gun for the heavy snorers in camp, plus it adds entertainment of the 'no-see-um type' <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Get 2 sticks with forked ends, place sharpened other end in ground, suspend Earthling Fire Straw between, hang yer pot over yer campfire <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Sip yer drinks through it <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Help start yer fire with a bit of wheezin <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

There's a start <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#106340 - 11/11/08 03:18 PM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: Jimshaw]
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Dryer
I actually own a 2 foot long blowgun made by the Jivaro Indians in South America - the old Head Hunter tribe. The darts are split bamboo like material. A hollow "nut" with a hole in it holds some fiber like Kapok, that is twisted onto the end of the darts. Its highly accurate. I suppose it could be also used as a club, fire blower, or with poison darts - as a suicide device - just inhale... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

SO have you tried using your straw as a blow gun? Or are you instead blowing steam? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Jim <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

PS my fire straw is actually made from a hollow aluminum tent stake and the pointy end is still on with a 3/32" hole drilled in the end. This "nozzle" accelerates the air and makes blowing on a small fire more better.


Now just try and drink from a seep with that stake <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Geeze, another b'gun nut, go figure <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> Stress Another <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
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#106341 - 11/11/08 03:25 PM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: Earthling]
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LOL. Ok you got me. I sometimes use my hand santizer and toilet paper as a means to start a fire. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Just about everyhting I carry is for comfort and not "necessary' but that is due to skill level. Heck I even carry duct tape out of convenience, if I needed an adhesive I could make some from rendering the tar from birch bark. Thus it isn't a necessity for me to carry it.

Anyway, thanks for the laugh.
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#106342 - 11/11/08 04:56 PM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: DTape]
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Glad to oblige <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Hand santizer, there ya' go!
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#106343 - 11/11/08 05:22 PM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: Earthling]
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I got it
Some times I use toilet paper in my coffee filter funnel. Coffee IS essential... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Oh oh - and I could use my winter sled as an eating bowl. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

I suppose my ski poles could double as chop sticks.

Now what else could climbing skins or crampons be used for? Oh I could clean fish with crampons AND I could tenderise meat with them. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> climbing skins - hmmmm.

An ice axe is very multipurpose. As is a shovel - hey a shovel could be used as a plate unless you use it for sanitation purposes. An ice axe serves well as a tent stake and it can shave or chop frozen food like nobodies business. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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#106344 - 11/11/08 06:16 PM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: DTape]
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How about pack as sleeping pad extension for under the feet. Or pack as bear bag, I sometimes just hang the whole dang pack instead of bringing a bag for this (Obviously, I don't camp much in the Sierras or other smart bear country)
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#106345 - 11/11/08 10:06 PM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: Jimshaw]
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My internal frame pack. In the day it carries stuff. In the evening it is set against a rock for a soft backrest while I cook. At night, it comes in the tent or my bivy and becomes a pillow. It also becomes a piece of my wind-break for my stove if needed.

My sleeping bag stuff sack. In the day it compresses my sleeping bag. In the evening it becomes a ground cloth for bags of food. At night it too becomes part of my "pillow" system.

My bivy sack. It is bright yellow. If I fall off a cliff I can use it mark my spot for a rescue. Or crawl in it my last breath - a body bag!! (that is a bit morbid) (I have not tried to blow it up, tie a knot and float down a river)

Ice axe - now that is a real tool! Trowel, back scratcher, bug squisher, weapon, tent site smoother, tent stake, support post for my Kelty external frame pack when I want to make a chair and there are no trees or rocks

External frame pack - chair back, tarp post, weapon, tie it to two large limbs and you have a litter to carry out an injured person

Sleeping pad - splint, flotation devise, back rest padding

Shoe insoles -- padding on my hips when my pack is killing me!

shirt -- towel to dry off, shirt to wear, rag to wipe up rain in my tent, a skirt if my pants split in the back, cut off shirt-tail for bandages, turban for my head when no shade in camp, emergency flag, fan, bug swatter

I will think of some more.

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#106346 - 11/11/08 10:43 PM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: Jimshaw]
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Bear can-

Food storage
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#106347 - 11/12/08 05:16 AM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: Jimshaw]
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SO have you tried using your straw as a blow gun? Or are you instead blowing steam?


Uh, yes. But that diameter (arrow shaft) is only good for sewing needle size darts.
I make 'em from 2" lengths of thin piano wire, sharpened, dab of cotton glued to the other end. It 'might' take down a mouse or small bird.
On my big blowguns...1/2" copper or aluminum tubing....I use full length 10" bamboo shish kabob skewers and paper cones. You can buy a handfull at Walmart/Target for a couple bucks. You can actually dart fish with that. You get a flatter trajectory with bamboo over metal due to less weight.
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#106348 - 11/12/08 05:16 AM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: BpackerDon]
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I agree that some multi-use ideas are questionable. I think its more important to make sure its all well thought out ahead of time so you are prepared for most emergencies, like along the lines of Sarbars list.

Wool blankets are highly under-rated. Especially good for day-hikes.

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#106349 - 11/12/08 06:06 AM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: Jimshaw]
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I'm carrying the "Earthling fire straw" for testing, but so far I haven't found a use except as a straw.
Yes a straw is what it's for. I thought that was made very clear. Sucking up water from a trickle stream or blowing on embers to light a fire. Hence the name Firestraw. It could also be used for a hamster splint. Maybe you could make it longer and use one for an internal frame pack stay.
Now I have to rethink all the multiuse items. If I carried all of them I might have to buy a bigger pack. I think the bandana wins so far.
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#106350 - 11/12/08 10:44 AM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: chaz]
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Toilet paper wins

OK all of these may not be completely legit, but there are an armful. First off my wife's input on multiple uses of toilet paper.
1) Bra padding for young campers
2) intimate feminine usage
3) Tinder
4) Cleaning up messes...
5) First aid as a gauze replacement
6) Wrapping a delicate specimen
7) Making a big X on the ground for rescue
8) wiping condensation from tent
9) wrappable insulation - emergency hat or neck scarf or foot insulation.
10) oil lamp wick
11) sediment filter
12) coffee filter
13) ear plugs
14) Surrender flag
15) molotov cocktail
16) Silencer
17) TP a friends tent
18) camp chair shimming = level device
19) Roll makes a pipe
20) wrap around comb for quasi kazoo
21) polishing glasses
22) small square targets
23) ?????
Jim <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> YMMV
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#106351 - 11/12/08 11:26 AM Re: REAL multi use items? [Re: Jimshaw]
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