missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas

Posted by: demo

missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/08/07 10:52 AM

A couple of hikers found a man dead on the OHT the other day, lying on top of his sleeping bag under a tarp. There are virtually no details yet of what has happened.

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/1107/470939.html
Posted by: Trailrunner

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/08/07 11:38 AM

With such a dearth of details it's impossible to determine exactly what happened but based on this limited information it does not sound like a violent death. The deceased was young (31) but certainly old enough for a heart attack, aneurysm or even a stroke. But guessing is really futile at this point.
Posted by: Earthling

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/08/07 11:46 AM

A good time to say a prayer for him and his family. It could've been one of us <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
Posted by: Glenn

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/08/07 12:13 PM

At the risk of sounding flippant (and I don't mean to), I can think of a lot worse ways to go. My condolences to those surviving him, and my sympathies to those who found him; that couldn't have been an easy experience, either.
Posted by: Ender

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/08/07 12:15 PM

Very sad. Though if I got to chose, it's exactly the way I'd want to go. Quietly, in the woods, on a hike. My thoughts are with his family. I hope they can take some solace knowing that he died doing what he loved.
Posted by: jshannon

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/09/07 06:48 AM

Writing about his trip
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2007/10/25/235337/15

Obit
http://obit.baue.com/obitdisplay.html?id=473803&clientid=baue&listing=Current
Posted by: Earthling

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/09/07 11:26 AM

My feelings exactly; just the other day while I was hiking a local trail, I thought to myself, "if the Lord's going to take me let it be amongst the things I love", for no apparent reason....then this? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> I, for one would hate to be taken ina car, plane or any other kind of 'manmade' wreck <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> It's probably why I despise society so much, I fear being taken by an imbissile talking on a cell phone speeding through a stop sign <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

After pondering this last night i thought the gentleman could have persihed simply from exposure, hypothermia; because he was found lying on top of his sleeping bag. This would indicate to me someone who was confused, or suffering sweats, and got out of his bag thinking it would help, the delusional part of hypothermia. You'd have to have been around someone that's had hypothermia to understand what I'm pointing out here. The confusion that 'sets in' to their minds is surreal to say the least to those who are cognizant. This is one of the greatest dangers IMO when backpacking solo, there is no one to watch and alert you to the symptoms of hypothermia, save yourself. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Other causes might have been heart related, ie stress, after having such a sedentary job as computer guy. All the physicalness of the trail could easily take a toll on someone not conditioned. An allergic reaction to something he ate or bite of some type.

Yes, it is very disturbing to normal people when they come upon a deceased person. Even those of us who've worked in emergency services of one type or another, or military, are still unnerved by the sight.
Posted by: Earthling

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/09/07 11:43 AM



After reading some of the remarks some of the posters were making on the Kuro5hin webpage it was plain to see some were cheering for this guy's demise. At least the guy had the cajones to go hike his own hike; regardless of how it ended he bested them all.......they're all STILL sitting at their weenie computers...while he's off backpacking among the stars <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
Posted by: phat

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/09/07 06:41 PM

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After reading some of the remarks some of the posters were making on the Kuro5hin webpage it was plain to see some were cheering for this guy's demise. At least the guy had the cajones to go hike his own hike; regardless of how it ended he bested them all.......they're all STILL sitting at their weenie computers...while he's off backpacking among the stars <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />


Nah, that's only the lusers <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> K5 is it's own kind of culture. It's a place where those with some clue go to vent and those seeking clue come to get hit with a clue stick. People on K5 are *supposed* to be
jerks. He'd be doubly laughing at them for that.

Story still struck a chord with me. I'm a geek and hike solo a lot too.
Posted by: billstephenson

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/10/07 10:28 AM

I too think this young man may have perished from exposure. I've been out in the forest here, not too far from OHT, almost every night for the last couple weeks and it got pretty cold out when he was out there. It got down into the low 30s and even colder in some spots.

Sleeping on a hammock would really make you cold. I don't think that's been mentioned. I was laying on mine about 11:00 pm the other night and it got pretty darn cold. I don't think a sleeping bag would help much. An old timer told me long ago that cots and hammocks were no good for sleeping on outside in less than warm weather. "You get cold air on all sides." I brought a cot with me anyway one time. I learned the old coot was right, I was cold all night long. This was during the early Summer in the foothills of the Sequoia Forest near Springville CA, not near as cold at night as it's been here lately.

I'm practically an "Old Timer" now. I guess we need to remember to pass along some of the knowledge and experience we were given the benefit of. Some of it sticks.

I feel for his family, he was much to young to die and anyone that takes the time to hike the OHT is my kind of people, so I'll miss him too.

Bill
Posted by: Earthling

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/10/07 11:46 AM

Bill, you are so right about 'old timers passin' the torch of outdoor wisdom' <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> That's the main point of websites such as this one; in that folks in the know hang their hats here and chime in when the young'ns attempt to head of half-cocked into the wilds.

I thought I recalled you living out that way Bill. It's been getting colder by 10'f seemingly every week up here in NJ of late <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

How are those wee burros of your's doing? have'nt seen you around these parts of late.

Phat, that explains the cavilier attitude at K5.
Posted by: demo

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/10/07 07:37 PM

yes, one of the most tell-tale symptoms of hypothermia (and at the most critical time) is the sudden feeling of being hot. your body and mind are too confused at this time and many victims of hypothermia have been found lying in odd places (like on top of snow) in nothing but their skivvies.

I hadn't thought about hypothermia until your comment, but now it makes a lot of since. I guess we'll only know for sure once the police report comes out.
Posted by: jshannon

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/11/07 04:30 AM

10/27- begins trip
11/05- this report implies he died on this date at mile 21

Probable gear- he's a lightweighter

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2007/5/6/181630/0670


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Wednesday, November 7, 2007 9:25 AM CST

Dead Hiker Identified As St. Louis Man

By Hicham Raache

TIMES RECORD • HRAACHE@SWTIMES.COM

The Franklin County Sheriff’s Office has released the name of the hiker found dead Monday, but a definite cause of death remains undetermined.

Investigators have learned that John Adelsberger III, a 31-year-old St. Louis area resident, died on the Ozark Highland Trail while taking a rest during a lengthy excursion into the West Central Arkansas nature trails, according to Sheriff’s Office authorities.

“He was hiking,” Sheriff Reed Haynes said. “He has been planning this hiking trip for a couple years.”

The Sheriff’s Office could not reveal the hiker’s identity until his next of kin were notified.

Adelsberger embarked on the hike from Dockers Gap Trail Head Park near Mountainburg on Oct. 27. He was trekking toward Johnson County but died soon after he passed the 21-mile marker of the trail, Haynes said.

A man from Indiana and a woman from Florida were hiking the Ozark Highland Trail together Monday morning when they discovered Adelsberger’s body, Haynes said.

The body, found at around 11:30 a.m., was lying on top of a sleeping bag below a tarp suspended between three trees, according to Haynes and Sheriff’s Office investigator Steve Clemmons.

The condition of Adelsberger’s body indicated that he likely died Monday morning, Haynes said.

The Crawford County Sheriff’s Office located the St. Louis man’s vehicle in Mountainburg, in close proximity to Lake Fort Smith, according to Haynes.

No injuries were noticed on Adelsberger’s body, and the condition of the area where his body was found did not indicate that foul play contributed to his death, Clemmons said.

The Arkansas State Crime Laboratory in Little Rock will examine the body to determine a cause of death.
Posted by: Hector

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/11/07 06:42 AM

I spent a 32F and 37F night in the Ouachitas last week, in a hammock. My BA insulated air mattress failed the first night out, and all I had was an Oware 20" x 60" x 3/16" pad. I folded it in half and slipped it into the BA Mystic's sleeve, then improvised a Garlington insulator from my poncho and fallen leaves. I was surprisingly comfortable. So, if he had a decent pad or underquilt, he should have had no trouble in that regard. It sounds like he did think about what he was doing, and I'd assume he had appropriate gear.

I suspect something else happened that we just don't know about yet. Wonder if he fell in a stream or something? I can visualize him lying on top of the bag hoping to dry out some before getting into it... It's a shame.
Posted by: demo

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/12/07 09:37 PM

buy his gear, it would sound like he's into lightweight backpacking, but I would guess he either A) has had some experience using his gear, or B) has just read a lot and assumes his choices will work.

regarding him being found at mile 21, it isn't in a particularly tough section of the trail, however, the Salt Fork Creek crossing is at mile 20.2. while most of the time it is a dry crossing, it does have the reputation of being flooded on occasion and can be dangerous. it is very possible he got wet here and was trying to dry off at camp a little ways down trail.

knowing how the weather can be along the OHT, if he was wet, outside of his bag, and the temperature dropped quickly, he could have easily been susceptible to hypothermia.
Posted by: Earthling

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/15/07 11:22 AM

Yes Ryan, it's a point I'm trying to stress here in this thread. One CANNOT 'just' buy the 'best/most expensive gear' and vicariously become knowledgeable about backpacking by reading about it on the web or from books IMO/IME <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Like in many other areas of Life, it takes many years of hands on knowledge, in the field, to understand what one has to do instinctively to stay alive on the trail. Just because you have the 'whiz bang tarp' won't do you any good if you don't know the proper pitch for the weather that you're in or about to experience. Knowing what you are capable of under variuos conditions is AS or MORE important than any gear you can buy or advice you can read/are given IMO/IME. It all comes down to a combination of factors, of which collectively those of us here with the experience try to put into perspective for everyone to discuss, myself included. I may have 35 years in the Wilds but I'm no expert, the day one declares one's self an *expert* against outwitting Mother nature is the day one deal's one's own hand.

It's my opinion that this guy went out with good quality equiptment; but lacked the fundementals of what was needed to deal with the situation he found himself in, alone. THIS is why hiking/backpacking solo is for very seasoned folks who understand the risks and are willing to accept them.

I honestly think this thread should be bookmarked at the top of the Newbie Forum for all to read. I'm not saying this guy was a newbie, just inexperienced for what he encountered that fateful day. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
Posted by: Earthling

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/15/07 11:24 AM

Since one of the stories relating the police report states, "...there was a fella from Ohio and a woman from Florida hiking together.." seems these 2 backpackers hooked up on some website to do this hike. Now to find out who they are and what they can discuss about that day.
Posted by: demo

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/15/07 02:47 PM

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I honestly think this thread should be bookmarked at the top of the Newbie Forum for all to read. I'm not saying this guy was a newbie, just inexperienced for what he encountered that fateful day. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />


I agree whole heartedly. Moderators?
Posted by: altadude

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/15/07 05:53 PM

I am sorry but how do we know he didn't have a heart attack?
Or a stroke or a pulm embolism?
Was an autopsy performed?
Did I miss something or was there incontrovertible evidence that he was hypothermic?
Posted by: midnightsun03

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/15/07 06:20 PM

I had the same thoughts. I think we're once again prematurely assuming his cause of death was somehow preventable or caused by his choices in equipment or level of knowledge.

Step back and find out what he died of before jumping to conclusions.

MNS
Posted by: Earthling

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/16/07 10:36 AM

I'm not suggestting this be bookmarked because of the cause of his death; rather because he was 'prepared' by the equiptment he carried, yet it did him no good. Point taken, I'll await the coroner's report also.

I still think we should 'spread out' and search other forums to see if the two backpackers who discovered him can be located within our ranks. Surely if they hooked up and went on a trip together and live in different states they must be online in a forum <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
Posted by: billstephenson

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/16/07 01:09 PM

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Step back and find out what he died of before jumping to conclusions.


I see no harm in discussing the possibilities of what may have happened. While we really cannot conclude anything concrete here, one can learn from the discussion.

Kindest Regards,

Bill
Posted by: haikublue

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/16/07 04:37 PM

This is like CSI Wilderness...Virtual even!
Posted by: Hector

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/17/07 07:47 PM

Stranger and stranger -- read his comments about the sheriff's office on this case. (After November 2007 this will probably be here.)
Posted by: Tango61

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/18/07 07:44 AM


Hector's reference is in date 11/16/07, 6th paragraph.
Posted by: billstephenson

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/19/07 03:00 PM

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10-15 miles is about average for a backpacker,



Well, Tim Ernst, I'm sure, goes that far and further in a day, so, while he is THE Guru of the Ozarks, he must be basing that on the people he hangs with most and not figuring in the rest of us. There are many around here that I hang with that would consider it a real waste to put that many miles in one day of hiking anywhere in the Ozarks. It reminds my of Chevy Chase in "Vacation" when he visited the Grand Canyon.

At the same time, the Sheriff's statement,
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ten miles seemed about right for a hiker being on the trail for 7-8 days
seems way short of what even novice backpackers and snails like myself might do.

I'd say 8 miles is probably closer to average on the OHT and many others in the area.

Bill
Posted by: Slowfoot

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/20/07 10:25 AM

Since he was thru-hiking the entire trail, 10-15 miles does seem about "average" to me. And Tim says he talked to him right before he started, so he probably does know what the guy was planning.
Posted by: billstephenson

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/20/07 02:11 PM

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And Tim says he talked to him right before he started, so he probably does know what the guy was planning.


I don't think Tim told the guy without knowing him and his abilities personally that hiking 10-15 miles was "Average" on the OHT.

I'm not sure where exactly he started or was found, if I knew I'd like to do an elevation profile with my National Geographic Topo software to see what he was up against.

I hiked a nearby trail from Hemmed-in-Hollow to Compton twice, It's around 5-6 miles with a 1200 foot gain and it wore me out good. Now, I'm not in great shape so that did not surprise me, but I don't think that any of the other 3 people with me would have said "Let's do another 8-10 miles today" after packing out of that hollow.

If Tim is right, the guy hiked one day and passed on. Then he wasn't found for several more. That could be right and it could have led to the cause of death. Sweating, hypothermia, exhaustion... Sounds plausible to me.

Bill.
Posted by: Jon

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/20/07 03:05 PM

As a solo hiker, my average is probably 10-15 miles per day. I've backpacked about 60 or 70 miles of the OHT and I would say that 12 is a comfortable day although I would sleep very well. As far as the elevation profile for his hike, just glancing at Tim's guidebook, it looks like it ranges from 900 to 2380 feet. I could be a little bit off on the low end, but 2380 is the highest point on the trail. I don't think he made it that far.

I've backpacked to the falls at Hemmed-In-Hollow at least 10 times and would have no problem with backpacking another 8 or 10 miles the next day.

In Tim's guide for this trail (Fourth Edition, page 17) he states the typical hiker in great shape can do the trail in 14 days (165 miles). That would come to roughly 12 miles a day.

I'm waiting to hear the rest of the story on this one...

Jon
Posted by: billstephenson

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/21/07 09:53 AM

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I've backpacked to the falls at Hemmed-In-Hollow at least 10 times and would have no problem with backpacking another 8 or 10 miles the next day.


From Hemmed-in-Hollow to the Compton trailhead? Wow!

Here's what Time Ernst said about that hike in his book, Arkansas Hiking Trails (2nd edition, page 76)
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But let me warn you - the hike out on this trail will humble even the greatest of hikers.


Humbled me, that's for sure.

Kindest Regards,

Bill
Posted by: Jon

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/21/07 12:55 PM

It's about a 1000' drop in 2.5 miles to the falls. Never seem to get down there after a good rain. Usually just a trickle. One of my favorite areas. If my math is right, that's about a 7-8% grade, although it is greater than that in spots. I just go really s....l....o....w uphill.

Jon
Posted by: Slowfoot

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/21/07 02:06 PM

I don't have any polls or studies about what's average for a backpacker, obviously it's just my opinion, based on my own experience, talking to other backpackers, reading people's trip reports, etc. All I was trying to say is that I didn't see anything wrong with that statement. Some people do more mileage per day, some people do less.
Posted by: billstephenson

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/21/07 02:34 PM

I just point out that I don't personally believe it's average for most backpackers on the OHT trail.

Jon quoted one of Tim's books:

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In Tim's guide for this trail (Fourth Edition, page 17) he states the typical hiker in great shape can do the trail in 14 days (165 miles). That would come to roughly 12 miles a day.


Tim points out in that passage that he is speaking of someone in "Great Shape". My point is, this does not describe the "Average" OHT backpacker. It probably does describe those who Tim hikes most with though so, for him, it may be a valid average.

I failed to mention that the reason I think that 10-15 miles per day is above average also has to do with the topography of the Ozarks. While we don't have high mountains, or even low valleys, we have almost no flat land at all and in between the two it's not ever very far and it's almost always very steep.

Kindest Regards,

Bill
Posted by: demo

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 11/22/07 01:37 PM


he was found around about at mile 21. I wrote this comment last week...

regarding him being found at mile 21, it isn't in a particularly tough section of the trail, however, the Salt Fork Creek crossing is at mile 20.2. while most of the time it is a dry crossing, it does have the reputation of being flooded on occasion and can be dangerous. it is very possible he got wet here and was trying to dry off at camp a little ways down trail.

in the OHT Guide, 4th edition, page 49. From the main trailhead at White Rock Mtn. (very beautiful, btw) down to Salt Fork Creek is 2.1 miles and about 1000 feet elevation LOSS. from the creek to mile 21, where he was found is about 3/4 mile and 300 feet elevation gain. needless to say, I don't think the elevation in this section got him...in this section, the elevation was just starting where he was found.

I still hypothesize that it was hypothermia that got him. Salt Fork Creek is pretty unpredictable and all of us that hike in the Ozarks regularly know how slippery the rocks in the creeks are.
Posted by: Earthling

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 12/03/07 02:25 PM

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I've backpacked to the falls at Hemmed-In-Hollow at least 10 times and would have no problem with backpacking another 8 or 10 miles the next day.


From Hemmed-in-Hollow to the Compton trailhead? Wow!

Here's what Time Ernst said about that hike in his book, Arkansas Hiking Trails (2nd edition, page 76)
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But let me warn you - the hike out on this trail will humble even the greatest of hikers.


Humbled me, that's for sure.

Kindest Regards,

Bill


Bill, I have to agree with you and say that most backpackers OVER estimate their fitness level and this is what leads to trouble on the trail <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> Least of which is a guide book that describes what a hiker in 'great shape' could do in a day <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Well, no one wants to consider themselves a lard a**; so most WILL make themselves redder in the face than a male cardinal during breeding season, in order to 'accomplish' these type of 'feats'. Not I, I'm the tortoise on the trail, especially one that I'm backpacking from a guidebook with no firsthand knowledge of what's ahead down the trail. In the topography you describe I would say that the majority of folks who head out backpacking will be sub 10'ing it for at least the first few days. Every region has it's own demons to deal with trailwise, and the undulating terrain of the OHT is going to hand you yer' A** if you race it <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
Posted by: jamieS

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 12/12/07 08:37 AM

Any conclusion to this story?
Posted by: jshannon

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 12/12/07 05:54 PM

Tim Ernst will post any more info he gets from the family about cause of death on his site linked above.
Posted by: billstephenson

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 01/02/08 04:22 PM

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From the main trailhead at White Rock Mtn. (very beautiful, btw) down to Salt Fork Creek is 2.1 miles and about 1000 feet elevation LOSS. from the creek to mile 21, where he was found is about 3/4 mile and 300 feet elevation gain. needless to say, I don't think the elevation in this section got him...in this section, the elevation was just starting where he was found.

I still hypothesize that it was hypothermia that got him.


You may be right. I don't mean to keep dwelling on this subject but I just upgraded my National Geographic TOPO! software and found a gps route and waypoints on their MapXchange site so I did an elevation profile on that section of the trail. You can view it here:

OHT Topo Map

The elevation profile calculated the following:

Mile Marker 21 is 8.61 miles from the trail's current starting point.

He climbed Uphill a total of 2836 feet

He climbed Downhill a total of 2886 feet

That's a mile of straight up and down in just 8.6 miles of flat land hiking and you have to add it to the total distance of your hike and then realize that this extra mile is by far the toughest part of the hike. This helps illustrate the point I made earlier about hiking in the Ozarks and being conservative with mileage goals here.

Almost all of it is before the Salt Fork Creek crossing too. That looks like a nasty route for backpacking to me. I've never been there but I know hiking Ozark ridges can get windy and cold.

Bill
Posted by: Earthling

Re: missouri hiker found dead in Arkansas - 01/03/08 09:56 AM

Like I said in my posts Bill <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />