Buying A Great Survival Knife

Posted by: sabre11004

Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/24/09 12:02 PM

I was just wondering if any one on this forum might know where a "good" quality "survival" knife could be found. I need a knife that will really take a beating and keep on "being a knife". Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated...sabre11004... thanks
Posted by: finallyME

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/24/09 02:45 PM

Well, have you considered what you want it for? What specific tasks will it be used for? Do you have a price range? Once you specify the tasks, it is much easier to recommend.
Posted by: MrPhotographer06

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/24/09 03:12 PM

I dont personally own one, but one like it.. The Ka-Bar USMC knife is one of the best all around knifes i think. It may be a little big but even on little trips, i have my hunting knife which is similar, and a small knife. If you go to an army-navy store, they sell "survival" knifes with the screw off caps and store stuff inside. I'm intending to get one soon so i'll let you know how that works out.
Posted by: Pika

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/24/09 03:32 PM

You really have to be careful about "survival knives" that have storage in the handle. The problem with them is that the blade is made without a shank and is thus not supported by the handle. I have seen many of this kind of knife break at the handle/blade junction; this is an unavoidable weakness of this type of knife, even those of otherwise good quality. Also, since most of these knives are designed to be sold at a fairly low price, the steel is generally of low grade and the workmanship is of mediocre quality, at best.

Personally, I would get a quality knife with a 3" laminated steel blade such as those by Brusletto of Norway. These blades hold an exceedingly sharp edge very well. I would carry my other survival gear in a sheath pouch or some other small pocket; not in the knife handle. RayWay sells a knife kit and a sheath kit featuring this type of blade. See:

http://www.rayjardine.com/ray-way/Knife-Kit/index.htm

Even though I make non-laminated, carbon steel knives I would recommend a laminated blade over the kind that I make. They are that much better.
Posted by: sabre11004

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/24/09 05:32 PM

I think that I mentioned that I need a knife that will "take a beating and keep on being a knife". I might use it to split wood with or I might use to clean my finger nails with. I need something that I can hit with a hammer or just keep it in it's sheath all day. I need something tough and versatile. A good all around "knife". I think that budget wise I would like to stay under $150.00. I have been looking today and I think that I like that K-Bar the best, but the again, I am open to suggestions...sabre11004... thanks thanks thanks
Posted by: sabre11004

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/24/09 05:36 PM

A three inch blade would not be big enough for what I intend to use it for. This needs to be a "do all, is all" "tool". That's the only way that I will spend the money on a knife.Three inches would seem like a toy for what I intend to use it for so I will probably stay away from any thing that small...sabre11004 thanks
Posted by: Jimshaw

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/24/09 09:38 PM

Sabre
you don't need the knife, its just a toy, eekso go with the best meanest heaviest there is, get the Kabar wink... preferably an old one made with carbon steel, the real deal. I had one - traded it for a skate board...
Jim
Posted by: MrPhotographer06

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/24/09 10:38 PM

Originally Posted By Jimshaw
Sabre
you don't need the knife, its just a toy, eekso go with the best meanest heaviest there is, get the Kabar wink... preferably an old one made with carbon steel, the real deal. I had one - traded it for a skate board...
Jim


haha yeah, thats what i said...


Posted by: oldranger

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/25/09 01:56 AM

I am of a like mind with Pika. I would go with a laminated carbon steel Mora. I think big knives (anything over 4" blade) are way, way overrated. If I am going to chop something, for equal weight and much greater efficiency, I prefer a hatchet, probably combined with a lightweight collapsible saw. The only time I ever needed tools like that was when brushing out a LZ for a helo, hardly an everyday task.

If I am going to be digging, rather than abuse a knife, I just carry one of several pry bars. Your home center will have lots to choose from.
Posted by: PerryMK

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/25/09 05:52 AM

Now that's a knife
Posted by: finallyME

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/25/09 10:07 AM

sabre, the reason I asked is because you can't have everything in one tool. When you get one that is good at one task, it isn't so good at another. It is all a compromise. So, you really have to narrow down what is more important to you. A mora is really good at carving tasks, but a little small to baton large pieces of wood. Although it can baton and split wood, just not large pieces. A kabar is too big for good carving, but batons fairly well.

It sounds like you want a kabar. Other brands to look at: Cold Steel, Kabar, RAT cutlery.
Posted by: oldranger

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/25/09 10:34 AM

What is the deal with batoning? I have built numerous fires and I have never felt the need to take a knife to the fuel I was placing in the fire. Is there some other application?
Posted by: finallyME

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/25/09 11:17 AM

You can also baton and split a stave to make a survival bow. But, a mora can do that, because the stave is usually not that thick. Other than that, batoning is solely for fire wood (others might have more uses). When the outside is too wet, you might be able to get dry stuff inside.
Posted by: sabre11004

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/25/09 12:19 PM

Jimshaw...I was actually looking for some one to "help" with my situation not hinder it, but then thanks any way...sabre11004... thanks
Posted by: sabre11004

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/25/09 12:23 PM

Really the only reason that I asked was that I have had this really old knife (friends tell me it is military survival) that I have used for every thing. I especially like to split wood with it, but then if an axe can become a better option, I am all about change. I kinda like the idea of an "AXE"...sabre11004... awesome awesome awesome awesome
Posted by: oldranger

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/25/09 04:44 PM

When lighting a fire in damp conditions, I will do one of two things, break the dead wood by 1)jumping on it or dropping a rock on it, or 2) prop up moist pieces next to the fire to dry out before they are added to the flames.

Most of my experience has been in western conifer forests. I might have to do something different in other environments....
Posted by: JimM_PA

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/25/09 05:09 PM

Originally Posted By sabre11004
I was just wondering if any one on this forum might know where a "good" quality "survival" knife could be found. I need a knife that will really take a beating and keep on "being a knife". Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated...sabre11004... thanks

This might be what you are looking for:
http://www.1sks.com/store/cold-steel-srk.html
I have used the CS Master Hunter (carbon steel) for several years in hunting season with complete satisfaction. It is a smaller knife than the SRK.
Posted by: sabre11004

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/25/09 05:47 PM

Yes, that is very similar to the knife that I looked at by Cold Steel..The price is right but it is not quite as big as I would like. The knife that I am using now seems a little bigger...sabre11004... thanks
Posted by: Jimshaw

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/25/09 10:41 PM

Sabre

You started to make some sense for a while, what happened? smile just kidding - sort of.
Hey why don't you actually go try to split some wood with a knife? Been there, gave that up. crazy Seriously though a light "skinning" hatched used to disjoint big game can split small stuff and hold and edge that makes the blade like an Ulu knife. Hey I loved my kabar, but I was never able to split wood with it and the whole idea of a survival knife is kinda silly, it won't help you survive unless yer in enemy territoy. A sawvivor folding saw would be more helpful as would a cruiser axe. For my money, I was relly in deep doodoo in the middle of nowhere, I'd prefer a real axe over anything.
Jim
Posted by: phat

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/25/09 11:08 PM

Originally Posted By Jimshaw
For my money, I was relly in deep doodoo in the middle of nowhere, I'd prefer a real axe over anything.
Jim


And assuming I don't have a "real" axe and need to carry something small and portable, I'd go for a 17 inch fiskars splitting axe. cheap, indestructible, and a lot more useful than a rambo knife.

I'd combine that with a nice sharp folding knife in my pocket, even something as small as my little opinel folder.

I'd rather have those two than a rambo knife any day.

to put it bluntly. if I were dropped in the middle of nowhere with nothing but the clothing on my back. my choice of things I would probably most like to have with me would be the axe, and then the small knife, in order, and right behind a bic lighter.

I carry only a small knife when backpacking.

Posted by: frediver

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/26/09 03:04 PM

IMO you should look at a Becker BK-9, < $100.00 ( $85.00 I think)
It has the weight to use as a chopper plus decent carbon steel.
In reality tho you should have two knives, your big whacker and a smaller pocket knife, SAK Rucksak.

Posted by: sabre11004

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/27/09 11:43 AM

As a matter of fact I do. And I also have a third that I have as a backup but I rarely carry that one if I am in the back country...sabrer11004... thanks
Posted by: Ecrow

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/27/09 11:02 PM

I own a cold steel SRK made out of carbon V steel. It really holds an edge extremely well and I've heard they are impossible to break. Their free testing DVDs are quite convincing.
Posted by: bigfoot2

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/27/09 11:50 PM

Originally Posted By Jimshaw
Sabre

Seriously though a light "skinning" hatched used to disjoint big game can split small stuff and hold and edge that makes the blade like an Ulu knife.
Jim


Jim,
Funny you should mention the Ulu. I just ordered one of these:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0062994518853a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Product_liberal&QueryText=ulu&sort=all&Go.y=0&_D%3AhasJS=+&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23&Go.x=0&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1

In my favorite safety orange color, no less wink I agree with the axe...it's what i would take, also. A lightweight Fiskars is my favorite. Awesome edge and fairly lightweight.

BF cool
Posted by: finallyME

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/28/09 10:12 AM

Originally Posted By Ecrow
I own a cold steel SRK made out of carbon V steel. It really holds an edge extremely well and I've heard they are impossible to break. Their free testing DVDs are quite convincing.


I have the exact same one. I bought it in the desert at the on base PX for $45. It attached to my IBA very nicely and made a great ice pick for cold drinks. grin
Posted by: sabre11004

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 11/28/09 10:50 AM

Yes, have looked at the SRK too and it is a very good knife. I'll have to say that you got a great deal on that one because I have not seen them for that price any where...sabre11004.. goodjob goodjob goodjob .
Posted by: Jim M

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 12/05/09 12:20 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fObcnnUIKhg
check out the A2 Knife. On sale at Amazon.com
Posted by: madyarddog

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 12/14/09 04:23 PM

first of all u have to think about is funtionality,in some cases any knife is better than none.but i suggest that u go to the net and enter a qoerry about knife suppliers and go from there.I"ve seen lots of knives u can buy on line or get localy and the prices range from decent to absurb,what kind of price range were u thinking of?
Posted by: madyarddog

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 12/14/09 04:36 PM

Myself I made my own,I based it on the one from the movie "THE Hunted"I found the right type of steel on the net,then looked up the how to"s and did it myself it is very functional and strong,but ialso carry a good medium sized folder with a strong locking mechanisim.I also carry 2 to 3 smaller very easlly sharpining pocket knves for varios tasks(u never can have to much in this dept.if your survival depends on it and of course how much weight u are willing to cary.
Posted by: madyarddog

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 12/14/09 04:49 PM

But really the best in my oppinion would be the old KABAR you can find them at any Army/Navy Surplus store between $40&$80 depends on wher u shop at.
Posted by: chaz

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 12/15/09 12:33 PM

I bought one of those wire saws with the ring at each end. Useless. I carried a multi tool for a while. Unless I was planning to fish it doesn't get used. I'm with Phat. Most of the time I have a very sharp, small (3"blade), folding frame knife in my pocket.
Posted by: DJ2

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 12/15/09 12:42 PM

Chaz,

I was thinking of getting one of the wire saws you just said were useless.

Would one of these allow me to cut a few sticks about 1" in diameter? That would allow me to make a cane or crutch to walk out on a hurt leg.
Posted by: chaz

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 12/15/09 12:53 PM

DJ2, Yes they work for small stuff. 1" wouldn't be too much work. They are inexpensive. I still have mine but It's in the rubbermaid container of "Never use again camping artifacts".

Never say never!
Posted by: oldranger

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 12/15/09 04:27 PM

For that specific application (cane, not crutch, fortunately), I have found the saw on my Leatherman Wave perfect - it produced a very nice cane effortlessly and quickly. But the Wave is heavy. You can find very nice light saws (2 oz range) at any good home products store.

My best impromptu hiking staff was a mop handle I found, washed up on the beach. It was in a situation where I really needed one, too. Just had to scrape off a little tar and it was good to go. Used it for several years...
Posted by: Jimshaw

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 12/15/09 07:27 PM

DJ2 the problem is carrying it. After X amount of time it will come unraveled in your pack and your first and last cut with it just might be on your hand. Its one of those city slicker camping things you can buy from Coughlans. Its worthless on wet wood and those little rings on the end are uselss unless you put a stick through them to hang onto. If you do decide to buy one, go out and try it around home before you put it in your pack.
Jim
Posted by: chaz

Re: Buying A Great Survival Knife - 12/16/09 11:16 AM

Originally Posted By Jimshaw
DJ2 the problem is carrying it. After X amount of time it will come unraveled in your pack and your first and last cut with it just might be on your hand. Its one of those city slicker camping things you can buy from Coughlans. Its worthless on wet wood and those little rings on the end are uselss unless you put a stick through them to hang onto. If you do decide to buy one, go out and try it around home before you put it in your pack.
Jim

That's exactly who made the one I have. Found it at basspro. It is safe as far as it cutting you, you can run your fingers all over the cutting surface etc. But you are correct in it's uselessness.