I got this idea from some others who did a trip like this, they did not really adhere to 12 items. All that I have invited are experienced bpers from the circle I do some trips with here in CA. I've set the trip for Lassen VNP.
They started by stating there was a 12 item limit and 5lbs. for base weight. It was more for seeing how little they could get by (suffer) with. smile What would you count/not count as part of the 12 items?

So far I have come up with this:
One system can be counted as one item, ie. kitchen/stove, shelter, sleeping.
FAK does not count, stressing safety.
Fisherpersons fishing gear does not count. smile
I hinted that team work would be ok. No tips given. smile
Worn clothes would not count towards the 12.
Camera gear not counted towards the 12.
Is this too easy?
Duane